Discussion
Rosscow said:
RayDonovan said:
4.3 index
3 shots from the Yellow tees
5 shots from the White tees
4.3 at ours plays off 8 for the comp tees and 9 from the tips!3 shots from the Yellow tees
5 shots from the White tees
The above for our course feels about right. Inland Parkland course, 6500 from the Whites, 6000 from yellow tees.
Greens on the front 9 are very tricky, but back 9 plays shorter and greens are flatter. We're more of a positional course than length or natural hazards
DuncanM said:
Sorry, I'm not disbelieving you, just think it sounds mad. Presumably some of you chaps will end up on lower handicaps by the end of the year.
Don't worry - we're all trying to get our heads around it too.. 
I hope the playing conditions really does work. We can have proper weather here.
The rough also changes greatly over 12 months. Currently and over the winter it has been heavily cut back. You can find your ball, and play it! Two months time, very different.
Was visiting my dad over easter and so, as usual, played the 9-hole at Felixstowe while I was there. Went round twice. First was pretty disastrous, with some good holes being completely obliterated by an 8 and a 7 on two consecutive par fours!
On the plus side, my putting was MUCH better than the weekend before. This weekend I was leaving long puts <6 inches, getting reads right, grazing edges... the week before round Bar Hill I might as well have been putting blindfolded after being spun around twice.
The highlight though was a 3 wood from 260 yards to 8 feet. Typically it wasn't my scoring ball but one I'd thrown down after topping one. The scoring ball made a double, although had a look at par despite topping said three wood and a 5i off the tee that went about 40 yards! Yes, it lipped out for a bogey as well!
On the plus side, my putting was MUCH better than the weekend before. This weekend I was leaving long puts <6 inches, getting reads right, grazing edges... the week before round Bar Hill I might as well have been putting blindfolded after being spun around twice.
The highlight though was a 3 wood from 260 yards to 8 feet. Typically it wasn't my scoring ball but one I'd thrown down after topping one. The scoring ball made a double, although had a look at par despite topping said three wood and a 5i off the tee that went about 40 yards! Yes, it lipped out for a bogey as well!
RayDonovan said:
Isn't PCC going to be taken more into consideration now?
Think it only came in once last year at +2 when the winning score across all divisions was a net 71 (-1).
PCC doesn't apear to move much when conditions are hard. We've had days where no one in a comp has scored over 36 poins and it hasn't moved. Think it only came in once last year at +2 when the winning score across all divisions was a net 71 (-1).
I've seen it move more when we've not had any wind and kind pin positions, so scoring has been good.
RayDonovan said:
What's the yardages off those tees?
The above for our course feels about right. Inland Parkland course, 6500 from the Whites, 6000 from yellow tees.
Greens on the front 9 are very tricky, but back 9 plays shorter and greens are flatter. We're more of a positional course than length or natural hazards
Green tees (comp) 6300The above for our course feels about right. Inland Parkland course, 6500 from the Whites, 6000 from yellow tees.
Greens on the front 9 are very tricky, but back 9 plays shorter and greens are flatter. We're more of a positional course than length or natural hazards
Black (tips) 6505
Only par 68 though, and only 1 par 5.
I now get 1 less shot off whites and 2 less of yellow (not quite that straight forward as we have 27 hole). 9 and 7 (off HCP of 10).
The course is on the coast so is nearly always windy which isn't reflected in the course rating. Our HCPs already "travel well" due to this but now it's getting silly.
As other say it will be interesting to see if PCC makes any difference - I doubt it!
The course is on the coast so is nearly always windy which isn't reflected in the course rating. Our HCPs already "travel well" due to this but now it's getting silly.
As other say it will be interesting to see if PCC makes any difference - I doubt it!
The addition of the CR-Par element for course handicap calculation will not affect anyone's handicap in any way*. It is purely to make the idea of "playing to handicap" clearer. Golfers used to say "I get 10 shots" and think that was to par, but it wasn't - it was to course rating. Now, it's how many shots you get vs par for the course, which makes way more sense, and is how everyone thinks about it anyway.
The reason it won't affect handicaps is because par was never part of the handicap calculation.
\*I'm not sure how it affects net double in stableford, that's the one part I haven't spent enough time thinking about to work it out. It's possible that you "get shots" on different holes now and that might affect indexes. Not sure
The reason it won't affect handicaps is because par was never part of the handicap calculation.
\*I'm not sure how it affects net double in stableford, that's the one part I haven't spent enough time thinking about to work it out. It's possible that you "get shots" on different holes now and that might affect indexes. Not sure
s94wht said:
The addition of the CR-Par element for course handicap calculation will not affect anyone's handicap in any way*. It is purely to make the idea of "playing to handicap" clearer. Golfers used to say "I get 10 shots" and think that was to par, but it wasn't - it was to course rating. Now, it's how many shots you get vs par for the course, which makes way more sense, and is how everyone thinks about it anyway.
The reason it won't affect handicaps is because par was never part of the handicap calculation.
\*I'm not sure how it affects net double in stableford, that's the one part I haven't spent enough time thinking about to work it out. It's possible that you "get shots" on different holes now and that might affect indexes. Not sure
I was confused enough about all this WHS stuff before I read your explanation, now I'm REALLY confused. The reason it won't affect handicaps is because par was never part of the handicap calculation.
\*I'm not sure how it affects net double in stableford, that's the one part I haven't spent enough time thinking about to work it out. It's possible that you "get shots" on different holes now and that might affect indexes. Not sure
Way back in the day I actually used to be Handicap Secretary at Stone filling in for me dad who was Club President. That was in the days of Standard Scratch and going up .1 of you didn't play to it, buffer zones and all that good stuff.
Slightly complex but once you'd grasped it easy enough to understand and tell golfers what they needed to know.
The Handicap Secretary position came up again over winter and I was tempted to go for it, until I realised just how complex and generally nonsensical the new system was. No one really tries to explain it properly, the answer is always - just put your card in BRS (terrible system btw) and let it work it out.
I'm not generally resistant to change but I'd take the old system back in a heartbeat - golf is complicated enough without having to do University level maths afterwards to figure out where your handicap is going - or even before the round to figure out how many shots you get!
Slightly complex but once you'd grasped it easy enough to understand and tell golfers what they needed to know.
The Handicap Secretary position came up again over winter and I was tempted to go for it, until I realised just how complex and generally nonsensical the new system was. No one really tries to explain it properly, the answer is always - just put your card in BRS (terrible system btw) and let it work it out.
I'm not generally resistant to change but I'd take the old system back in a heartbeat - golf is complicated enough without having to do University level maths afterwards to figure out where your handicap is going - or even before the round to figure out how many shots you get!
Blackpuddin said:
s94wht said:
The addition of the CR-Par element for course handicap calculation will not affect anyone's handicap in any way*. It is purely to make the idea of "playing to handicap" clearer. Golfers used to say "I get 10 shots" and think that was to par, but it wasn't - it was to course rating. Now, it's how many shots you get vs par for the course, which makes way more sense, and is how everyone thinks about it anyway.
The reason it won't affect handicaps is because par was never part of the handicap calculation.
\*I'm not sure how it affects net double in stableford, that's the one part I haven't spent enough time thinking about to work it out. It's possible that you "get shots" on different holes now and that might affect indexes. Not sure
I was confused enough about all this WHS stuff before I read your explanation, now I'm REALLY confused. The reason it won't affect handicaps is because par was never part of the handicap calculation.
\*I'm not sure how it affects net double in stableford, that's the one part I haven't spent enough time thinking about to work it out. It's possible that you "get shots" on different holes now and that might affect indexes. Not sure
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