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If he is going head to head with it, he needs a bigger fight in which case I can only see Wilder or Haye fitting the bill and trumping Fury vs. Wlad 2. I'd actually love to see him matched up against Wilder who hasn't looked great recently. Imagine the potential of AJ with the WBC and IBF facing off against either Fury or Wlad with the WBA and WBO belts to unify the division in a winter 2016 showdown...........
All hypothetical obviously but would be the biggest thing to happen in Heavyweight boxing for a long time.
All hypothetical obviously but would be the biggest thing to happen in Heavyweight boxing for a long time.
The fight against Joshua was a voluntary defence for Martin, so I'd be very surprised if Joshua's first defence was a voluntary as well. As things stand, the next highest ranked fighter by the IBF is Erkan Teper, but I think there's still some doubt as to whether he'd be given a shot because of the failed drugs test after the David Price fight.
However, the interesting thing is the IBF don't actually have a #1 or #2 contender at the moment...they're both vacant with Teper ranked #3. Ranked at #13 with the IBF is David Haye and should he beat that Arnold fella who's up next, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that suddenly that's enough to propel Haye into the mandatory position. Not saying that would a deserved promotion but in the world of professional boxing, that type of thing happens all too often...
However, the interesting thing is the IBF don't actually have a #1 or #2 contender at the moment...they're both vacant with Teper ranked #3. Ranked at #13 with the IBF is David Haye and should he beat that Arnold fella who's up next, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that suddenly that's enough to propel Haye into the mandatory position. Not saying that would a deserved promotion but in the world of professional boxing, that type of thing happens all too often...
lord trumpton said:
Got up for Manny - Tim's gameplan was working until the real lightening struck.
It was like Tim wanted to fight but Atlas was adamant he should box. Manny just kept digging and caught Tim with some sublime, almost missable (like lightening) shots.
Manny lives on; but will he still continue with boxing? Bring on MayPac 2 (it's probably already a signed deal imho)
If he does as he says and retires I don't think anyone will begrudge him that. I thing a second Money fight might be better than the first but IMO Manny is past his best and Floyd's management ducked him until well after he had peaked. At his best I think it would have been very different and that much vaunted perfect record of Floyd's would have been blemished.It was like Tim wanted to fight but Atlas was adamant he should box. Manny just kept digging and caught Tim with some sublime, almost missable (like lightening) shots.
Manny lives on; but will he still continue with boxing? Bring on MayPac 2 (it's probably already a signed deal imho)
Excellent result for AJ - just unstoppable.
And I wish people would stop staying "oh, but his opponent was rubbish" - he's consistently beaten increasingly better boxers. It's not that they were bad boxers, it's just that AJ is leagues ahead of them all.
I look forward to AJ putting Fury down; my life will be that little bit more complete when he does. Fury is going to be made to look like a t
t (and have his career ended) with all the bullst he's spouting.
Hats off to David Haye for the way he's conducting himself at the moment.
And I wish people would stop staying "oh, but his opponent was rubbish" - he's consistently beaten increasingly better boxers. It's not that they were bad boxers, it's just that AJ is leagues ahead of them all.
I look forward to AJ putting Fury down; my life will be that little bit more complete when he does. Fury is going to be made to look like a t
t (and have his career ended) with all the bullst he's spouting.Hats off to David Haye for the way he's conducting himself at the moment.
Apparently it's Malik Scott for AJ next, some forums saying the ink was dry on that contract even before last nights fight.
Fury and Haye are both mobile fighters something Joshua hasn't come up against yet. He's far from the finished article yet. He does grate on me. Little simply because he seems so manufactured in front of a camera.
Fury and Haye are both mobile fighters something Joshua hasn't come up against yet. He's far from the finished article yet. He does grate on me. Little simply because he seems so manufactured in front of a camera.
lord trumpton said:
I reckon it will be Haye and Joshua on the undercard of the Fury rematch. I don't think Haye wants to wait too long as he is getting on a bit. Plus it's what the public will want to see and therefore big ppv for the night.
Will that happen with then being different promoters? I personally can't see it being on the undercard. Haye is tied up for his next two fights at the moment. I honestly don't know who AJ should or could fight this summer. The only one I can think of is Lucas Browne the WBA champion.
briangriffin said:
Apparently it's Malik Scott for AJ next, some forums saying the ink was dry on that contract even before last nights fight.
Fury and Haye are both mobile fighters something Joshua hasn't come up against yet. He's far from the finished article yet. He does grate on me. Little simply because he seems so manufactured in front of a camera.
I think Malik Scott would be a very good choice as a first defence. However, Scott is not presently ranked in the top 15 by the IBF, meaning he's not even eligible as a voluntary. So unless that changes, the only way that contest would happen would be as a non-title fight and really can't see why they'd do that.Fury and Haye are both mobile fighters something Joshua hasn't come up against yet. He's far from the finished article yet. He does grate on me. Little simply because he seems so manufactured in front of a camera.
Re how Joshua appears on camera, well, to me he comes across as a pretty affable, confident, laid-back guy but with a core of steel if you push him...someone you'd want to stay the right side of. I've never met him but I'd be surprised if the reality was substantially different. If I were to pick from the current crop of heavyweights who's on-screen persona was 'manufactured', Fury and Briggs would be certainly much higher on the list...
theboyfold said:
Will that happen with then being different promoters? I personally can't see it being on the undercard. Haye is tied up for his next two fights at the moment.
I honestly don't know who AJ should or could fight this summer. The only one I can think of is Lucas Browne the WBA champion.
Again, I think that would be a great first defence, but with the failed drugs test issue hanging over Browne, there's pretty much no chance of that fight happening any time soon. Even if he managed to clear his name, there's then the hurdle that the IBF don't typically recognise the WBA regular belt in terms of unifications, while the WBA themselves probably wouldn't sanction that fight either due to them running their own 'in-house' unification tournament with the WBA super and WBA interim world titles...I honestly don't know who AJ should or could fight this summer. The only one I can think of is Lucas Browne the WBA champion.
Edited by Yiliterate on Sunday 10th April 14:20
Yiliterate said:
Again, I think that would be a great first defence, but with the failed drugs test issue hanging over Browne, there's pretty much no chance of that fight happening any time soon. Even if he managed to clear his name, there's then the hurdle that the IBF don't typically recognise the WBA regular belt in terms of unifications, while the WBA themselves probably wouldn't sanction that fight either due to them running their own 'in-house' unification tournament with the WBA super and WBA interim world titles...
Interesting. Thanks for explaining that. It's all a bit complicated isn't it! Edited by Yiliterate on Sunday 10th April 14:20
theboyfold said:
Yiliterate said:
Again, I think that would be a great first defence, but with the failed drugs test issue hanging over Browne, there's pretty much no chance of that fight happening any time soon. Even if he managed to clear his name, there's then the hurdle that the IBF don't typically recognise the WBA regular belt in terms of unifications, while the WBA themselves probably wouldn't sanction that fight either due to them running their own 'in-house' unification tournament with the WBA super and WBA interim world titles...
Interesting. Thanks for explaining that. It's all a bit complicated isn't it! Edited by Yiliterate on Sunday 10th April 14:20
Well AJ certainly goes from strength to strength, I guess the world is his oyster now, either a fury or hate match should be life changing money, wilder is very beatable too. It's unbelievable that Britain now has 2 heavyweight title holders.
I thought lee Selby was excellent as well against a difficult (if flawed) opponent such a talent and showed real character to get straight up after a genuine knock down and shake it off like it was nothing, he's awesome, in an era a truly great British boxers could he be the pick of the crop?
I thought lee Selby was excellent as well against a difficult (if flawed) opponent such a talent and showed real character to get straight up after a genuine knock down and shake it off like it was nothing, he's awesome, in an era a truly great British boxers could he be the pick of the crop?
MitchmachineUAE said:
Haye vs. AJ might be too big to be an undercard fight though. I would hazard a guess that more of the British public would turn up to see that as opposed to Fury vs. Wlad 2. Makes sense in some respects but Hearn could sell out another stadium for that fight in it's own right.
I think Haye is licking his lips to get a fight with Joshua, but as much for the money as the glory/belt so no way would he fight on a Fury undercard. Their fight would be a massive seller in its own right. Fury wouldn't be keen either! If all keeps going well I see them meeting in 2 to 3 more fight (for each).Delighted to see I'd over-regarded the danger from Martin, in reality even if in theory there should have been more threat.
Pacquiao looked like the old Manny - but he's not the old Manny... Not quite the same sustained speed or power and not quite the same bewildering foot speed and movement but way better looking than of late. A very good fight.
McDonald continues to surpass expectations and good for him.
Selby, an excellent result against a nasty (in every way!) opponent.
One of the first of Hearn's/Sky's bills to seem to justify pp. of late. Though what Trophy - with1 KO - was doing against Groves, feck knows.
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