Haye vs Harrison
Discussion
Jonny671 said:
snowy slopes said:
Re: the haye betting on himself thing, i'm sure when he fought macarinelli for the unified cruiserweight titles, he said the same thing, i'll knock him out in round one. Took him two rounds to demolish him, so if he did get people to bet on round one, then he and they lost out.
I've read he said.. I just told people to bet on Round 3 and done it in Round 3. He also said, do you think I needed to bet on myself with the amount of money for the fight? Which I surpose is very correct 
I really do hope they with hold some off the purse. if for no other reason than prniciple.
I have seen some trully awful negative fights, but Harrison was in a different league.
To only record one punch against your opponent is shocking..Its a world title goddam it.
What made it worse was his after fight interview, talk of taking Haye into the trenches, the later rounds etc, game plan was working etc.. it was cloud cuckoo land.
At least del boy will give it a go.
I have seen some trully awful negative fights, but Harrison was in a different league.
To only record one punch against your opponent is shocking..Its a world title goddam it.
What made it worse was his after fight interview, talk of taking Haye into the trenches, the later rounds etc, game plan was working etc.. it was cloud cuckoo land.
At least del boy will give it a go.
Well this is a bit of a conundrum isn't it?!?!
Devils advocate
In the greatest fight of all time Ali went 7 and a bit rounds without (effectively) hitting Foreman once. The game-plan was to let George wear himself out hitting him.
It worked - and the rest is now the stuff of legend.
Fast-forward 37 years and Audley Harrison says that was his game plan but this time it just didn't work.
Who can say that he should be stopped his purse for a failed plan? It all fairness Haye couldn't have kept up hitting Audley for 12 rounds without leaving himself open at some point to a devastating counter and perhaps Harrison could have taken advantage of a diminishing punch-impact from Haye to actually go for it about round 8.
Haye is known for having an awesome punch (like Foreman) so who would stand and trade with him in the early rounds when he's at his most dangerous/strongest.
Nope - the only flaw in this plan is that Audley thought he was as durable as Ali and found out that even as a blown-up Cruiserweight Haye is devastating.
Lets not forget Haye's no-show against Valuev for most of that fight - for exactly the same reason.
Sometimes it works but sometimes....
All IMHO
PS: and I say this as someone who shelled out £14.99 to Sky for the (dis)pleasure.
Devils advocate
In the greatest fight of all time Ali went 7 and a bit rounds without (effectively) hitting Foreman once. The game-plan was to let George wear himself out hitting him.
It worked - and the rest is now the stuff of legend.
Fast-forward 37 years and Audley Harrison says that was his game plan but this time it just didn't work.
Who can say that he should be stopped his purse for a failed plan? It all fairness Haye couldn't have kept up hitting Audley for 12 rounds without leaving himself open at some point to a devastating counter and perhaps Harrison could have taken advantage of a diminishing punch-impact from Haye to actually go for it about round 8.
Haye is known for having an awesome punch (like Foreman) so who would stand and trade with him in the early rounds when he's at his most dangerous/strongest.
Nope - the only flaw in this plan is that Audley thought he was as durable as Ali and found out that even as a blown-up Cruiserweight Haye is devastating.
Lets not forget Haye's no-show against Valuev for most of that fight - for exactly the same reason.
Sometimes it works but sometimes....
All IMHO
PS: and I say this as someone who shelled out £14.99 to Sky for the (dis)pleasure.
Just to add if people think he's small, Haye is a similar size to Berbick, Spinks, Norton, Holmes and Ali.
It's people like Lewis, Bowe and Foreman are just so big, as are those Ukranian boys. The game has moved on in terms of size, but as we know, the quality of the division is pretty poor, other than the Klitschkos and maybe Haye (still must prove himself against the best in the division).
I sometimes think these guys just get that 'I'm bigger than you' mentality (Fury?) and think that's all they need.
It's people like Lewis, Bowe and Foreman are just so big, as are those Ukranian boys. The game has moved on in terms of size, but as we know, the quality of the division is pretty poor, other than the Klitschkos and maybe Haye (still must prove himself against the best in the division).
I sometimes think these guys just get that 'I'm bigger than you' mentality (Fury?) and think that's all they need.
Edited by dirty boy on Monday 15th November 16:51
Shuvi Tupya said:
Fair points, IM.
I wonder if a boxer would get away with an Ali style rope a dope these days? Wouldn't the fight be stopped?
I don't neccessarily think so - it depends on the damage being sustained by the receiver. Ali was actually talking to Foreman (and the referee) throughout the onslaught from Foreman - indeed it was part of the plan, to keep telling George how little his punches were hurting him...therefore no-one was under any illusion that Ali was in any kind of serious trouble at all.I wonder if a boxer would get away with an Ali style rope a dope these days? Wouldn't the fight be stopped?
Even today, provided you can keep the ref believing the same thing then I don't think he would stop it - no matter how one-sided the punch count was provided you looked 'in control'.
hornetrider said:
snowy slopes said:
I see in todays red tops, that the bbbc is threatening to withhold audley's purse from the fight, estimated at £1.2million, for basically failing to turn up
LOL. Can't see how they could do that though, seeing as it finished so early on in the fight.
tGilbertGutbucket said:
CarbonM5 said:
Audley should work in promotion rather than the ring.He isnt a fighter.
He'd be far better as a Kwik Fit Fitter, they're sh!te as well.deevlash said:
GilbertGutbucket said:
CarbonM5 said:
Audley should work in promotion rather than the ring.He isnt a fighter.
He'd be far better as a Kwik Fit Fitter, they're sh!te as well.Oh yeah he was awful but what did people expect? The guys a points fighter and never transitioned to the pro game at all really. His only hope was to get it to the later rounds and land a big left.
I interviewed a pro mma fighter last night and asked him about this fight, he agreed with me that boxing is killing itself with fights like this, its a fight nobody wanted to see yet people still inexplicably forked out £15 to watch it. Once Pacman and Mayweather retire boxing is done, theres nobody coming through and the big fighters refuse to fight each other. The kids these days are joining mma gyms instead.
I interviewed a pro mma fighter last night and asked him about this fight, he agreed with me that boxing is killing itself with fights like this, its a fight nobody wanted to see yet people still inexplicably forked out £15 to watch it. Once Pacman and Mayweather retire boxing is done, theres nobody coming through and the big fighters refuse to fight each other. The kids these days are joining mma gyms instead.
snowy slopes said:
Jonny671 said:
snowy slopes said:
Re: the haye betting on himself thing, i'm sure when he fought macarinelli for the unified cruiserweight titles, he said the same thing, i'll knock him out in round one. Took him two rounds to demolish him, so if he did get people to bet on round one, then he and they lost out.
I've read he said.. I just told people to bet on Round 3 and done it in Round 3. He also said, do you think I needed to bet on myself with the amount of money for the fight? Which I surpose is very correct GilbertGutbucket said:
deevlash said:
GilbertGutbucket said:
CarbonM5 said:
Audley should work in promotion rather than the ring.He isnt a fighter.
He'd be far better as a Kwik Fit Fitter, they're sh!te as well.te when what they should be criticising is that particular performance. Who cares what he got paid? Its a fight, it could end 2 seconds in or go 12 rounds. Harrison was a great amateur who came up short on the pro game, he still got a world title shot which is better than 99% of boxers do. Gassing Station | Sports | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff