Haye vs Harrison
Discussion
tuscaneer said:
OllieC said:
Well I have no sympathy for him, delusional or not. for his purse I'd gladly let David Haye beat the hell out of me
that's the sort of s
t comment i'm talking about.it's nonsense.if you'd ever been under heavy fire from a no mark part timer in a friendly gym spar then you wouldn't spout ste like "i'd let david haye do that to me for the money".i'm pretty sure you'd melt a good bit earlier than your ring walk.and you would most likely get hurt permanently.
I actually agree with the post you made earlier.I still have zero time for Audley though.
deevlash said:
CarbonM5 said:
deevlash said:
GilbertGutbucket said:
CarbonM5 said:
Audley should work in promotion rather than the ring.He isnt a fighter.
He'd be far better as a Kwik Fit Fitter, they're sh!te as well.Did you see his performance in the Olympics?
More to the point,Did you pay over a grand to sit ring side and watch it?I doubt you did since it was probably past your bed time!
been reading thread just a few points -
Deevlash is a huge fight fan, and know more than most on here, fact is Harrision didnt perform like a world title contender, but what have you achieved harrision has a gold medal fact, he was a brilliant amateur fact, hes never been a good pro (scared of being hit - but still dreams hes good enough)
Harrison is a talented fighter, wasted talent on the pro stage but oh well, fact is haye is a boxers boxer, brilliant footwork and handwork, hes not a heavyweight obviously but still hes brilliant..
Klitchsko vs Lewis - Lewis on his decline at his very worst, at the other end Klitchsko in his physical peak.
Both klitchskos and hayes wouldnt be champ with people like, tyson, holyfield, lewis around, hayes a good enough boxer but im sure he wouldnt be a heavyweight champ with them around (cruiser weight no doubt) and klitchskos defo wouldnt.
If the proposed klitchsko fight goes ahead in march, possibly in us or uk (hopefully) it will be a proper heavyweight title fight, haye was never in danger vs harrison, hes not a good pro, but hes achieved more than any other man could dream of, including alot of money.
Deevlash is a huge fight fan, and know more than most on here, fact is Harrision didnt perform like a world title contender, but what have you achieved harrision has a gold medal fact, he was a brilliant amateur fact, hes never been a good pro (scared of being hit - but still dreams hes good enough)
Harrison is a talented fighter, wasted talent on the pro stage but oh well, fact is haye is a boxers boxer, brilliant footwork and handwork, hes not a heavyweight obviously but still hes brilliant..
Klitchsko vs Lewis - Lewis on his decline at his very worst, at the other end Klitchsko in his physical peak.
Both klitchskos and hayes wouldnt be champ with people like, tyson, holyfield, lewis around, hayes a good enough boxer but im sure he wouldnt be a heavyweight champ with them around (cruiser weight no doubt) and klitchskos defo wouldnt.
If the proposed klitchsko fight goes ahead in march, possibly in us or uk (hopefully) it will be a proper heavyweight title fight, haye was never in danger vs harrison, hes not a good pro, but hes achieved more than any other man could dream of, including alot of money.
Edited by FeatherZ on Wednesday 17th November 18:30
FeatherZ said:
Deevlash is a huge fight fan, and know more than most on here
thanks! 
For m5's knowledge, I'm a former Scottish national Judo squad member, mma fan, boxing fan and writer for fullmount.co.uk. I didn't pay a grand to sit ringside and watch it, I'd probably have got press passes instead (maybe with a bit of grovelling), had I been daft enough to think Harrison had a shot at winning.
Harrison wasn't up to beating Haye, he's never shown that level of skill, to call him "s
t" is just stupid though. Not world class? Sure, a bit of an ego maniac with delusions of grandeur? Sure. st? No, having fought Olympic level athletes at the Scottish Judo Open a couple of weeks back I have a vague idea of how good you have to be to succeed at that level in any sport. There's a massive mma forum that I post on that bans for "fighter bashing", because those who do it show a lack of respect and expose their own ignorance unless they themselves have just bested said fighter or are hyping their upcoming meeting with said fighter.
Edited by deevlash on Wednesday 17th November 23:48
deevlash said:
FeatherZ said:
Deevlash is a huge fight fan, and know more than most on here
thanks! For m5's knowledge, I'm a former Scottish national Judo squad member, mma fan, boxing fan and writer for fullmount.co.uk. I didn't pay a grand to sit ringside and watch it, I'd probably have got press passes instead (maybe with a bit of grovelling), had I been daft enough to think Harrison had a shot at winning.
Harrison wasn't up to beating Haye, he's never shown that level of skill, to call him "s
t" is just stupid though. Not world class? Sure, a bit of an ego maniac with delusions of grandeur? Sure. st? No, having fought Olympic level athletes at the Scottish Judo Open a couple of weeks back I have a vague idea of how good you have to be to succeed at that level in any sport. There's a massive mma forum that I post on that bans for "fighter bashing", because those who do it show a lack of respect and expose their own ignorance unless they themselves have just bested said fighter or are hyping their upcoming meeting with said fighter.
Edited by deevlash on Wednesday 17th November 23:48
FeatherZ said:
been reading thread just a few points -
Deevlash is a huge fight fan, and know more than most on here, fact is Harrision didnt perform like a world title contender, but what have you achieved harrision has a gold medal fact, he was a brilliant amateur fact, hes never been a good pro (scared of being hit - but still dreams hes good enough)
Harrison is a talented fighter, wasted talent on the pro stage but oh well, fact is haye is a boxers boxer, brilliant footwork and handwork, hes not a heavyweight obviously but still hes brilliant..
Klitchsko vs Lewis - Lewis on his decline at his very worst, at the other end Klitchsko in his physical peak.
Both klitchskos and hayes wouldnt be champ with people like, tyson, holyfield, lewis around, hayes a good enough boxer but im sure he wouldnt be a heavyweight champ with them around (cruiser weight no doubt) and klitchskos defo wouldnt.
If the proposed klitchsko fight goes ahead in march, possibly in us or uk (hopefully) it will be a proper heavyweight title fight, haye was never in danger vs harrison, hes not a good pro, but hes achieved more than any other man could dream of, including alot of money.
bit of nitpicking here but lennox lewis was really vitali's first and biggest test back in 2003.he was gathering pace and looked like he was getting towards the peak of his powers a good 18 months after fighting lennox.amazingly(for me anyway)his best performance actually came after a 4 year lay off to rip the wbc belt off sam peter in 2008.it's a fair arguement that his best years were more than likely spent out of the sport.Deevlash is a huge fight fan, and know more than most on here, fact is Harrision didnt perform like a world title contender, but what have you achieved harrision has a gold medal fact, he was a brilliant amateur fact, hes never been a good pro (scared of being hit - but still dreams hes good enough)
Harrison is a talented fighter, wasted talent on the pro stage but oh well, fact is haye is a boxers boxer, brilliant footwork and handwork, hes not a heavyweight obviously but still hes brilliant..
Klitchsko vs Lewis - Lewis on his decline at his very worst, at the other end Klitchsko in his physical peak.
Both klitchskos and hayes wouldnt be champ with people like, tyson, holyfield, lewis around, hayes a good enough boxer but im sure he wouldnt be a heavyweight champ with them around (cruiser weight no doubt) and klitchskos defo wouldnt.
If the proposed klitchsko fight goes ahead in march, possibly in us or uk (hopefully) it will be a proper heavyweight title fight, haye was never in danger vs harrison, hes not a good pro, but hes achieved more than any other man could dream of, including alot of money.
Edited by FeatherZ on Wednesday 17th November 18:30
i don't think the fight with vitali was lennox at his worst by a long stretch.don't forget that before this fight he was trying to tie tyson up for 2 more fights and was making statements about how he was ageing like fine wine and had at least another 5 years in the sport.lennox,with a broken nose in the second round still managed to slug it out with the strongest guy he ever fought.(vitali also said lennox was the strongest guy he'd fought).admittedly he was damn lucky that vitali's left eye was in such a mess because he was well behind on all the scorecards.i think this fight encouraged lennox to retire because i honestly feel he knew he'd had a lucky escape and didn't have a great chance to win the rematch.no shame there.
for the record,i do think that both brothers could hold their own in any era.it might not always be the prettiest way to win but their shut down and trap setting tactics make them very effective fighting machines.
vitali;
pro kickboxing record-34-1
amateur boxing-195-15(european silver@super heavy)
pro boxing record-41-2(wbo and wbc champ)88.4% ko ratio(best in division history)
wladimir;
amateur boxing record-134-6(olympic gold @super heavy,european silver@super heavy)
pro boxing record-58-3(ibf,wbo,ibo and ring champion)84.5% ko ratio(second best in division history)
Records are amazing no doubt and i had no idea he was a pro kickboxer impressive, huge talents no doubt, alot of problem is theres just not enough great heavyweights about (im not back tracking i still think holyfield, tyson and lewis in there prime is boxing at its best all very different fighters obviously), the americans are excited by the haye vs klitcsko thing atm, HBO are flat out refusing to air any fight with them unless its vs haye, it would be a massive fight for all involved, they love the smack talk.
Fight obviously has to happen now.
Fight obviously has to happen now.
FeatherZ said:
Records are amazing no doubt and i had no idea he was a pro kickboxer impressive, huge talents no doubt, alot of problem is theres just not enough great heavyweights about (im not back tracking i still think holyfield, tyson and lewis in there prime is boxing at its best all very different fighters obviously), the americans are excited by the haye vs klitcsko thing atm, HBO are flat out refusing to air any fight with them unless its vs haye, it would be a massive fight for all involved, they love the smack talk.
Fight obviously has to happen now.
the hbo thing is political cock waving and nothing more.if you check out the boards there is overwhelming support gathering for the k brothers from american fans.admittedly appreciation for them has been a long time coming but they are both rightly now heavyweight superstars in the true sense of the word.Fight obviously has to happen now.
interesting points re. a weak division.i agree the landscape looks bleak when you average it out over history.imagine now if the klits didn't exist you'd have the gomez's,solis's,povetkin's,dimitrenko's,boystov's,chagaev's and adamek's all fighting competitively and i wonder if the division would be seen as weak or ok and lively.
go back through the history of the sport and(with the exception of the 70's because ali and his contemaries were all quite evenly matched)whenever you have had a thoroughly dominant champion the division has been decried as weak.
perception is that dempsey ruled a weak division in the 20's.joe louis ruled a weak division in the 30's/40's.marciano ruled a weak division in the 40's/50's then there wasn't much going on until the 70's.that all dies down and first holmes then tyson are the dominant forces in the 80's in what is deemed a weak dision at the time.
see my point??
time lionizes these great champions even if they are under appreciated in their own times.i know i will be telling my grandkids with pride how i was there when wlad and vitali were making the rest of the division look like nothing,in much the same way as my grandfather talks about rocky marciano in reverance
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