The **BOXING** thread Vol 2

[Yiliterate]

MitchmachineUAE said:

lord trumpton said:

Yeah, fair comments. No need for me to have written the nasty stuff. I was wrong on that front.

In all honesty, it just irritates me the way he tries to play the big time boxer. Ive watched most of his fights; especially his early ones when he looked if he was to blossom into a british great.

I personally feel he's been nursed through most of his fights in terms of selection and has never yet put on a 'real deal' display for me. Anyone of any substance and he's been mediocre.

Now, thats fair enough as he's a better boxer than I am, but for some reason he just irritates me with his bullst talk and the way he's comparing himself with the real deal boxers, moaning that they are ducking him. I just wish he'd take another fight and prove he has got what it takes.

Do yourself a favour and go and re-watch the Khan vs. Madina fight. Lots of heart, two evenly matched boxers and a proper tear up. He looked a little out of sorts when he lost to Garcia (even though he dominated early on) and got demolished by a few punches that would have ended anyone in that division (and possibly a few higher).

Is he the same level as Mayweather or a Pacman of old? Probably not in my opinion but the form guide suggests that he is at least worthy of a shot at the two and has the speed and power to give both problems at some point within the 12 rounds. Alas he doesn't posses the best boxing brain at times which is where he has been found out but that is getting better with experience and training under Virgil.

I think we'd all love to see Khan vs. Brook and I agree they both need each other with the winner going on to challenge for higher honors. Unfortunately they both see it as a high risk fight because for the looser it'll be a set back and recovery for at least a few years before another big pay day unless there is a re-match. Pure speculation of course but that's how I see it happening.

Edited by MitchmachineUAE on Thursday 5th November 06:18

Well, fair play to LT for his response. Spot on about Maidana - a fighter who proved how much of a handful he is for technical boxers by handing Broner his first loss and then giving Mayweather his toughest night in years. I also think Khan's performance against Devon Alexander was top drawer as well...outclassing a recent world champion to such an extent that Alexander was barely able to land a glove on Khan, let alone get a foothold on the fight.

[andburg]

Yiliterate said:

Well, fair play to LT for his response. Spot on about Maidana - a fighter who proved how much of a handful he is for technical boxers by handing Broner his first loss and then giving Mayweather his toughest night in years. I also think Khan's performance against Devon Alexander was top drawer as well...outclassing a recent world champion to such an extent that Alexander was barely able to land a glove on Khan, let alone get a foothold on the fight.

I wasn't so impressed by Khan against Alexander, more surprised at how poor Alexander was at actually finding the target. Alexander's last loss also takes some shine off as he was well and truly beaten again.

I really wanted to like Khan and don't doubt he could give anyone in his division a hard time, but I'd say his last credible win to show he can fight at the top level was Maidana. Khan has spent so much time chasing Mayweather that he needs to prove himself at that level again.

Rematch Garcia knowing he was winning that for a good potion or take a risk there are lots of other names at 147 to fight.

[MitchmachineUAE]

andburg said:

I wasn't so impressed by Khan against Alexander, more surprised at how poor Alexander was at actually finding the target. Alexander's last loss also takes some shine off as he was well and truly beaten again.

I really wanted to like Khan and don't doubt he could give anyone in his division a hard time, but I'd say his last credible win to show he can fight at the top level was Maidana. Khan has spent so much time chasing Mayweather that he needs to prove himself at that level again.

Rematch Garcia knowing he was winning that for a good potion or take a risk there are lots of other names at 147 to fight.

I think he did push for a re-match and like most others watching the fight think he'd have won it fairly comfortably. Garcia on the other hand probably wasn't all that keen to sign up to it and is glad to be past Khan after looking like cannon fodder in the early rounds.

[tuscaneer]

as far as i saw it garcia didn't want the rematch at all

[Yiliterate]

andburg said:

I wasn't so impressed by Khan against Alexander, more surprised at how poor Alexander was at actually finding the target. Alexander's last loss also takes some shine off as he was well and truly beaten again.

Interesting - I read it the other way. Alexander lost the IBF belt on points to Shawn Porter (no shame in that given how Porter then destroyed Malignaggi, ran Brook close and, for the greater part, outclassed Broner) then won a tune-up before his 'last chance saloon' fight with Khan. That he was so comprehensively beaten in such a pivotal fight for him has basically done for him, reflecting in his subsequent loss...but, at the time of stepping in the ring with Khan, was only 12 months removed from being a world title holder and still had aspirations.

Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 5th November 10:25

[Fittster]

lord trumpton said:

Yeah I agree. I think the rematch will happen - it has to.

The hype has already started imho

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Really? The first fight was so dull a rematch won't do decent numbers.

[Fittster]

Not sure what to make of Povetkin v Wach. Povetkin is technically good but seems to lack the killer power to put a bigger man on the canvas.

He'll probably be able to defeat Wilder (but I think most people have thought that for a long time) but I don't see why he'd be anymore successful in a rematch with Klitschko.

On the heavyweight prospect front interesting to see Andy Ruiz (fat mexican, with surprisingly fast hands) beat Raphael Love on points after 8 rounds. Anthony Joshua demolished Love in 2 rounds. What ever weakness Joshua may have power certainly doesn't seem to be one of them,

Edited by Fittster on Thursday 5th November 11:56

[Yiliterate]

Fittster said:

lord trumpton said:

Yeah I agree. I think the rematch will happen - it has to.

The hype has already started imho

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Really? The first fight was so dull a rematch won't do decent numbers.

I guess it's all comparative; it won't do as well as the first fight but, as I said a few pages back, even if it only does one quarter of what the first fight did, that's still a $100m fight. Would Mayweather get out of bed for a fight of that size? Well, I doubt the Berto fight was anywhere near that level, so don't see why not. Ultimately, if Mayweather and Pacquiao each decide they have one fight left in them, I'm fairly sure the best financial deal for both still remains fighting each other...

Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 5th November 12:16

[lord trumpton]

Yiliterate said:

Fittster said:

lord trumpton said:

Yeah I agree. I think the rematch will happen - it has to.

The hype has already started imho

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Really? The first fight was so dull a rematch won't do decent numbers.

I guess it's all comparative; it won't do as well as the first fight but, as I said a few pages back, even if it only does one quarter of what the first fight did, that's still a $100m fight. Would Mayweather get out of bed for a fight of that size? Well, I doubt the Berto fight was anywhere near that level, so don't see why not. Ultimately, if Mayweather and Pacquiao each decide they have one fight left in them, I'm fairly sure the best financial deal for both still remains fighting each other...

Edited by Yiliterate on Thursday 5th November 12:16

EH give some sensible thoughts

http://www.skysports.com/boxing/news/12183/1005654...

[FredClogs]

tuscaneer said:

just caught this......rocky fielding open workout.....AGGRESSIVE!!!!! .....JESUS CHRIST HE'S LOOKING SHARP,FAST AND HARD ON THOSE PADS!!.

looks like a fair bit of work has gone into blocking smith's body shots up on the ropes before letting the hooks and uppercuts go...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDCmcxXEKY

Looks very sharp. The video of Callum's workout was hopefully some Sunday morning warmup session because it looked like the sort of stuff I get up to, not world level Joe Gallagher stuff, obviously being careful not to give anything away with the cameras rolling. Rocky always looks very rangy and lanky, was very surprised to see Callum is an inch taller! 6ft 3! I think Callum would be right to target his body, it's got the makings of a great match. Whether it's the arrogance of youth or the sign of a true great I just think Callum has an air of confidence about him, can't see him loosing.

[tuscaneer]

Fittster said:

Not sure what to make of Povetkin v Wach. Povetkin is technically good but seems to lack the killer power to put a bigger man on the canvas.

He'll probably be able to defeat Wilder (but I think most people have thought that for a long time) but I don't see why he'd be anymore successful in a rematch with Klitschko.

On the heavyweight prospect front interesting to see Andy Ruiz (fat mexican, with surprisingly fast hands) beat Raphael Love on points after 8 rounds. Anthony Joshua demolished Love in 2 rounds. What ever weakness Joshua may have power certainly doesn't seem to be one of them,

Edited by Fittster on Thursday 5th November 11:56

i have watched that andy ruiz for a while now, he has looked great and ever improving. if you look at his physique from the fight he had on the pacquiao/algieri undercard to the other night he is slimmimg down.

i think i [posted the other day that if he could boil off to cruiser he'd be phenominal. he had love in all sorts of bother in the first round but didn't have the size/power to finish it.

heavyweights these days do need to be of the klitschko/fury/joshua/wilder size to have any sort of chance

povetkin looked great but wach is a fking big lump. i think povetkin could have been a superstar in any era but this time of 6ft 6in+ pure athletes means that guys like him are always going to be massively disadvantaged.
when you look at someone like max baer absolutely destroying primo carnera it makes you realise that the big men of today are so advanced compared to the carneras and willards of the past. the key is the jab.

[tuscaneer]

FredClogs said:

tuscaneer said:

just caught this......rocky fielding open workout.....AGGRESSIVE!!!!! .....JESUS CHRIST HE'S LOOKING SHARP,FAST AND HARD ON THOSE PADS!!.

looks like a fair bit of work has gone into blocking smith's body shots up on the ropes before letting the hooks and uppercuts go...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDCmcxXEKY

Looks very sharp. The video of Callum's workout was hopefully some Sunday morning warmup session because it looked like the sort of stuff I get up to, not world level Joe Gallagher stuff, obviously being careful not to give anything away with the cameras rolling. Rocky always looks very rangy and lanky, was very surprised to see Callum is an inch taller! 6ft 3! I think Callum would be right to target his body, it's got the makings of a great match. Whether it's the arrogance of youth or the sign of a true great I just think Callum has an air of confidence about him, can't see him loosing.

i feel exactly the same mate.that smith video looks like a warm up. rocky looks amazing but you've got to carry on doing that while someone is trying to cave your ribs in.

[lord trumpton]

tuscaneer said:

FredClogs said:

tuscaneer said:

just caught this......rocky fielding open workout.....AGGRESSIVE!!!!! .....JESUS CHRIST HE'S LOOKING SHARP,FAST AND HARD ON THOSE PADS!!.

looks like a fair bit of work has gone into blocking smith's body shots up on the ropes before letting the hooks and uppercuts go...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDCmcxXEKY

Looks very sharp. The video of Callum's workout was hopefully some Sunday morning warmup session because it looked like the sort of stuff I get up to, not world level Joe Gallagher stuff, obviously being careful not to give anything away with the cameras rolling. Rocky always looks very rangy and lanky, was very surprised to see Callum is an inch taller! 6ft 3! I think Callum would be right to target his body, it's got the makings of a great match. Whether it's the arrogance of youth or the sign of a true great I just think Callum has an air of confidence about him, can't see him loosing.

i feel exactly the same mate.that smith video looks like a warm up. rocky looks amazing but you've got to carry on doing that while someone is trying to cave your ribs in.

Yeah it's like golf - you can have the perfect practise swing but when you are on the tee being watched or trying to avoid a pond then it makes it far more difficult

[tuscaneer]

lord trumpton said:

tuscaneer said:

FredClogs said:

tuscaneer said:

just caught this......rocky fielding open workout.....AGGRESSIVE!!!!! .....JESUS CHRIST HE'S LOOKING SHARP,FAST AND HARD ON THOSE PADS!!.

looks like a fair bit of work has gone into blocking smith's body shots up on the ropes before letting the hooks and uppercuts go...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUDCmcxXEKY

Looks very sharp. The video of Callum's workout was hopefully some Sunday morning warmup session because it looked like the sort of stuff I get up to, not world level Joe Gallagher stuff, obviously being careful not to give anything away with the cameras rolling. Rocky always looks very rangy and lanky, was very surprised to see Callum is an inch taller! 6ft 3! I think Callum would be right to target his body, it's got the makings of a great match. Whether it's the arrogance of youth or the sign of a true great I just think Callum has an air of confidence about him, can't see him loosing.

i feel exactly the same mate.that smith video looks like a warm up. rocky looks amazing but you've got to carry on doing that while someone is trying to cave your ribs in.

Yeah it's like golf - you can have the perfect practise swing but when you are on the tee being watched or trying to avoid a pond then it makes it far more difficult

it is strange. after years of sparring ( some light tech spars and some wars where i knocked people out and myself got knocked out) i had it in my head that fighting for real in a venue with people shouting and screaming wasn't much different. how wrong i was .

the first thing that put me off was the camera guys walking round the ring apron. that for some reason bothered me (no idea why) and then the noise.i have always been very controlled and relaxed in a gym enviroment but in a dark hall under the spotlights got me a lot more agitated and by the time the other guy tried to tear my head off in the first 30 seconds i went into revenge mode and it became "jab , step through, left hand" and not much else.

It wasn't until the second round i could regroup a little bit but all in all i was pissed off when i watched it back on youtube the next day. all the stuff i'd learnt over the years like drawing them to the ropes and countering or feinting and slipping one way to make them move where you want them to come round the other side to get them.....it all went out the window.

i'm sure that subsides over years of fighting but i just have a feeling that when it gets hot in there callum will handle it more than rocky

Edited by tuscaneer on Friday 6th November 12:53

[tuscaneer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...

[Yiliterate]

tuscaneer said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embed...

Reminds you just how good he was...

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Reminds you just how good he was...

i honestly don't understand why he wasn't a bigger star than he was. i was always a calzaghe man even before hatton's star shone so bright and he was a little bit in the shade but back in the late 90's / early 2000s i used to love going to the alehouse on a saturday night for a calzaghe fight

[Amirhussain]

Andre Ward has withdrawn from Cotto-Canelo fight...

[Yiliterate]

Yiliterate said:

tuscaneer said:

Haha!!! Yeah, I suppose he still had a bit of "spunk" (ooooooohhh eeer) left. Pity most of his efforts went into his out of the ring shenanigans!

By the way pal.....i left work early to watch the boxing from Russia. I'm upto kayode/Lebedev at the moment t. WATCH THIS CARD WHEN YOU GET HOME!!!! fking phenomenal so far !! Not gonna ruin it for you but don't miss it

Sky+ job for me...hoping to catch up on it over the weekend! Actually with that, Smith/Fielding, Bradley/Rios and Lomachenko fights all on over the weekend, I'm probably going to be doing little else!

Edited by Yiliterate on Wednesday 4th November 19:43

Have made my way through the Russian show now (needed to clear some space on the Sky box for tonight's boxing). I agree with the above...bags of entertainment, though have to say the somewhat slack approach to medical attention for the fighters was a major worry, especially given the nature of the KOs and stoppages on the show. Some impressive performances on the card but the highlight for me was the win for Ola Afolabi. At 35 and having had more than his fair shares of wars over the years, I thought he was heading towards the exit, but used his extensive experience to keep his cool under those Tazmanian Devil-style attacks from Chakhkiev and then finished him off in style (though I was fuming at the ref for giving Chakhkiev a 10-count instead of getting him some attention as soon as he was pole-axed). Hope Afolabi can get one more crack at a world title off the back of that performance...

[tuscaneer]

Yiliterate said:

Have made my way through the Russian show now (needed to clear some space on the Sky box for tonight's boxing). I agree with the above...bags of entertainment, though have to say the somewhat slack approach to medical attention for the fighters was a major worry, especially given the nature of the KOs and stoppages on the show. Some impressive performances on the card but the highlight for me was the win for Ola Afolabi. At 35 and having had more than his fair shares of wars over the years, I thought he was heading towards the exit, but used his extensive experience to keep his cool under those Tazmanian Devil-style attacks from Chakhkiev and then finished him off in style (though I was fuming at the ref for giving Chakhkiev a 10-count instead of getting him some attention as soon as he was pole-axed). Hope Afolabi can get one more crack at a world title off the back of that performance...

I fking love afolabi!!!! Ever since he wrecked Enzo I have Watched him fight.Remember his knockout win on the wlad/haye under card.??? One of the best k ok outs I've ever seen.
Chakhkiev was so mental launching g those sorts of attacks againSt a guy so slippery in afolabi.
The lack of instant medical attention was certainly worrying to see. Especially on such a big stage. Can you imagine how dismal the safety standard must be on Russian club shows!!