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Played my first ever round under 50 last night, which for me is rather a large achievement!
Ridiculously pleased with myself.
Driving was brilliant, putting was good, Irons weren't bad. (All relative of course)
My only disappointment was my short game - sub 75 yards. I just don't know how to play the shots.
Really pleased though - only been playing since March after not playing for about 3 years.
Ridiculously pleased with myself.
Driving was brilliant, putting was good, Irons weren't bad. (All relative of course)
My only disappointment was my short game - sub 75 yards. I just don't know how to play the shots.
Really pleased though - only been playing since March after not playing for about 3 years.
Dan_1981 said:
Played my first ever round under 50 last night, which for me is rather a large achievement!
Ridiculously pleased with myself.
Driving was brilliant, putting was good, Irons weren't bad. (All relative of course)
My only disappointment was my short game - sub 75 yards. I just don't know how to play the shots.
Really pleased though - only been playing since March after not playing for about 3 years.
UNDER 50?? Why aren't you on Tour?? Ridiculously pleased with myself.
Driving was brilliant, putting was good, Irons weren't bad. (All relative of course)
My only disappointment was my short game - sub 75 yards. I just don't know how to play the shots.
Really pleased though - only been playing since March after not playing for about 3 years.
djstevec said:
Dan_1981 said:
Played my first ever round under 50 last night, which for me is rather a large achievement!
Ridiculously pleased with myself.
Driving was brilliant, putting was good, Irons weren't bad. (All relative of course)
My only disappointment was my short game - sub 75 yards. I just don't know how to play the shots.
Really pleased though - only been playing since March after not playing for about 3 years.
UNDER 50?? Why aren't you on Tour?? Ridiculously pleased with myself.
Driving was brilliant, putting was good, Irons weren't bad. (All relative of course)
My only disappointment was my short game - sub 75 yards. I just don't know how to play the shots.
Really pleased though - only been playing since March after not playing for about 3 years.
djstevec said:
Dan_1981 said:
Played my first ever round under 50 last night, which for me is rather a large achievement!
Ridiculously pleased with myself.
Driving was brilliant, putting was good, Irons weren't bad. (All relative of course)
My only disappointment was my short game - sub 75 yards. I just don't know how to play the shots.
Really pleased though - only been playing since March after not playing for about 3 years.
UNDER 50?? Why aren't you on Tour?? Ridiculously pleased with myself.
Driving was brilliant, putting was good, Irons weren't bad. (All relative of course)
My only disappointment was my short game - sub 75 yards. I just don't know how to play the shots.
Really pleased though - only been playing since March after not playing for about 3 years.
cheddar said:
Rosscow said:
DuncanM said:
BRMMA said:
DuncanM said:
Everything you say suggests you're a long hitter? Maybe work on a short 3/4 backswing at the beginning of the season until you're eye is in?
3/4 swing 3 woods and I bet you'd eliminate most of the big scores
I hit it a decent distance (290-320 driver, 205 5-iron, 160 8-iron) but thats nothing exceptional, expecially compared to what i see some guys doing these days3/4 swing 3 woods and I bet you'd eliminate most of the big scores
will get down the range and try a shorter swing, i also spent some time in my net in the garden over the weekend and realised i had gone back to gripping the club how i feel comfortable (right hand a bit too much under the club) rather than how i was taught in my lessons of having a stronger right hand, i probably need to spend some time getting the right grip feeling natural again, it's amazing how much the grip effects performance, especially consistancy
For reference, you hit your 5-iron and 8-iron as far or further than Rory, who is one of the longest on Tour.
No wonder you have big numbers mixed in with birdies, hitting the ball that hard, the margin for error becomes quite small!
My 4 iron goes 205, my 7 iron 160 and I never hit a driver 300!
For reference: I've driven 325 metres with wind and hard fairways but on a cold wet Winter day it's more like 210.
As others have already said we're better off slowing down our swing, finding the sweet spot on the face and the short grass in the middle.
Tough transition though......
Davey S2 said:
DuncanM said:
I still think he'll do it.
Read 'The Big Miss' for an insight on Tiger.
Love or loath him, golf misses him at the moment, although it is nice to see Rory start to hit form again
I don't. The game has moved on and the other players have caught up with him.Read 'The Big Miss' for an insight on Tiger.
Love or loath him, golf misses him at the moment, although it is nice to see Rory start to hit form again
He's no longer the biggest hitter or far stronger and fitter than the other players.
There is no one person at the moment who is really dominating the game. Rory seems to be stuttering at the moment but might now get it together now he is single and can just concentrate on his golf.
I think Jordan Spieth is capable of winning a hatful of majors over the next 10 years once he gets the first one out of the way.
Adam scott will win more as well.
I agre that Golf misses Tiger though and think he will win another msjor but can't see him beating Jack's record.
Look at the scrappy finishes, and the fact that no single player has 'stepped up' to take the number 1 spot.
I agree that Spieth is a star in the making, I so wanted him to win The Masters, but he folded on the back 9
.DuncanM said:
Those yardages put you right at the top end, you must know that?
For reference, you hit your 5-iron and 8-iron as far or further than Rory, who is one of the longest on Tour.
No wonder you have big numbers mixed in with birdies, hitting the ball that hard, the margin for error becomes quite small!
Well i play in quite a large golf society through work (Rolls Royce) and i'm the second longest hitter (the longest is a 6ft6" former UK rower) but whenever i play a match against someone they always feel the need to tell me about their friend or guy at their club that hits it much further and being as i've seen how much further the other guy in the society hits it than me i take that as evidence it happens.For reference, you hit your 5-iron and 8-iron as far or further than Rory, who is one of the longest on Tour.
No wonder you have big numbers mixed in with birdies, hitting the ball that hard, the margin for error becomes quite small!
when i had a few lessons last year they were on about some lag i create with my wrists that generates the power? god knows what they're on about to be honest, i don't really understand the technicalities of golf, i just assume i hit far due to my athleticism, but yeah it definitely makes for some mixed scores, if i hit it straight on most par 4's i only have a pitch/wedge into the green and on par 5's a mid to long iron for my second shot (depending on length of course) but i often spend time hacking out of the trees
djstevec said:
Apologies if I'm misreading your post there, but right hand "under" the club IS a strong right hand grip...if at impact your right hand returns to a "neutral" position, the club face will closed in relation to the swing path no??
May go some way to explain why sometimes you hit a big hook if you over-correct the push simply by changing grip.
yes you're correct, i'm not great at remembering the details of how it works but definitely know i need to get back to a more neutral grip to help iron out my inconsitancies. the problem is that if i have my right hand more neutral i find it very uncomfortable and my wrist hurts at the end of practice/playingMay go some way to explain why sometimes you hit a big hook if you over-correct the push simply by changing grip.
BRMMA said:
DuncanM said:
Those yardages put you right at the top end, you must know that?
For reference, you hit your 5-iron and 8-iron as far or further than Rory, who is one of the longest on Tour.
No wonder you have big numbers mixed in with birdies, hitting the ball that hard, the margin for error becomes quite small!
Well i play in quite a large golf society through work (Rolls Royce) and i'm the second longest hitter (the longest is a 6ft6" former UK rower) but whenever i play a match against someone they always feel the need to tell me about their friend or guy at their club that hits it much further and being as i've seen how much further the other guy in the society hits it than me i take that as evidence it happens.For reference, you hit your 5-iron and 8-iron as far or further than Rory, who is one of the longest on Tour.
No wonder you have big numbers mixed in with birdies, hitting the ball that hard, the margin for error becomes quite small!
when i had a few lessons last year they were on about some lag i create with my wrists that generates the power? god knows what they're on about to be honest, i don't really understand the technicalities of golf, i just assume i hit far due to my athleticism, but yeah it definitely makes for some mixed scores, if i hit it straight on most par 4's i only have a pitch/wedge into the green and on par 5's a mid to long iron for my second shot (depending on length of course) but i often spend time hacking out of the trees
You can see in the slightly exaggerated photo below.
In the left pic, the wrists have "unhinged", so the distance the club-head has to travel in relation to the hands to hit the ball isn't greatly differernt, so the speed the club-head will hit the ball will be quite low. Now, in the right hand pic, the hands are in a very similar position to the left pic, but the wrist angle has been maintained and the club-head is 3 feet or so further behind the left pic....so in order for the club to hit the ball at the same time the hands go through, it must travel much faster to catch up.
That additional club-head speed will hit the ball further and the longer you can hold off the unhinging of the wrists, the faster the club-head has to go to catch up.
In all fairness DuncanM, the range I used to practice at was about 260 to the back fence, the fence was about 25ft high (and albeit the range was slightly downhill, range balls dont travel as far, so kinda equals itself out), I would hit pretty much every drive over the fence (Ping G10) and my 2 iron (20+ year old Wilson TR1200) into it on the roll, I would consistently hit my 6iron (20-odd year old Mizuno TP18) about 185-190yds on the range and that was pretty consistent with my real world distance.
Edited by djstevec on Wednesday 11th June 18:26
BRMMA said:
djstevec said:
Apologies if I'm misreading your post there, but right hand "under" the club IS a strong right hand grip...if at impact your right hand returns to a "neutral" position, the club face will closed in relation to the swing path no??
May go some way to explain why sometimes you hit a big hook if you over-correct the push simply by changing grip.
yes you're correct, i'm not great at remembering the details of how it works but definitely know i need to get back to a more neutral grip to help iron out my inconsitancies. the problem is that if i have my right hand more neutral i find it very uncomfortable and my wrist hurts at the end of practice/playingMay go some way to explain why sometimes you hit a big hook if you over-correct the push simply by changing grip.
Rosscow said:
cheddar said:
Are they average distances you're quoting? Or the longest ever?
For reference: I've driven 325 metres with wind and hard fairways but on a cold wet Winter day it's more like 210.
As others have already said we're better off slowing down our swing, finding the sweet spot on the face and the short grass in the middle.
Tough transition though......
No, they're average for me, ish.For reference: I've driven 325 metres with wind and hard fairways but on a cold wet Winter day it's more like 210.
As others have already said we're better off slowing down our swing, finding the sweet spot on the face and the short grass in the middle.
Tough transition though......
"I hit it a decent distance (290-320 driver, 205 5-iron, 160 8-iron) but thats nothing exceptional"
Got a little confusing with multiple quotes.
cheddar said:
Rosscow I was questioning BRMMA's distances when he said:
"I hit it a decent distance (290-320 driver, 205 5-iron, 160 8-iron) but thats nothing exceptional"
Got a little confusing with multiple quotes.
It's what distance I hit it if I hit the ball well (a good strike) there exceptions when I flush one and it goes a bit further and when I'm not striking it well it will go a bit less but for those irons they're what I would use if that was my distance to the pin"I hit it a decent distance (290-320 driver, 205 5-iron, 160 8-iron) but thats nothing exceptional"
Got a little confusing with multiple quotes.
djstevec said:
"Lag" is basically how far behind the position of your hands the club-head "lags" behind on the downswing.
You can see in the slightly exaggerated photo below.
In the left pic, the wrists have "unhinged", so the distance the club-head has to travel in relation to the hands to hit the ball isn't greatly differernt, so the speed the club-head will hit the ball will be quite low. Now, in the right hand pic, the hands are in a very similar position to the left pic, but the wrist angle has been maintained and the club-head is 3 feet or so further behind the left pic....so in order for the club to hit the ball at the same time the hands go through, it must travel much faster to catch up.
That additional club-head speed will hit the ball further and the longer you can hold off the unhinging of the wrists, the faster the club-head has to go to catch up.
In all fairness DuncanM, the range I used to practice at was about 260 to the back fence, the fence was about 25ft high (and albeit the range was slightly downhill, range balls dont travel as far, so kinda equals itself out), I would hit pretty much every drive over the fence (Ping G10) and my 2 iron (20+ year old Wilson TR1200) into it on the roll, I would consistently hit my 6iron (20-odd year old Mizuno TP18) about 185-190yds on the range and that was pretty consistent with my real world distance.
Thanks for that, it makes perfect sense. I'm not sure how I've ended up naturally doing that but I now I try and keep my hands forwardYou can see in the slightly exaggerated photo below.
In the left pic, the wrists have "unhinged", so the distance the club-head has to travel in relation to the hands to hit the ball isn't greatly differernt, so the speed the club-head will hit the ball will be quite low. Now, in the right hand pic, the hands are in a very similar position to the left pic, but the wrist angle has been maintained and the club-head is 3 feet or so further behind the left pic....so in order for the club to hit the ball at the same time the hands go through, it must travel much faster to catch up.
That additional club-head speed will hit the ball further and the longer you can hold off the unhinging of the wrists, the faster the club-head has to go to catch up.
In all fairness DuncanM, the range I used to practice at was about 260 to the back fence, the fence was about 25ft high (and albeit the range was slightly downhill, range balls dont travel as far, so kinda equals itself out), I would hit pretty much every drive over the fence (Ping G10) and my 2 iron (20+ year old Wilson TR1200) into it on the roll, I would consistently hit my 6iron (20-odd year old Mizuno TP18) about 185-190yds on the range and that was pretty consistent with my real world distance.
Edited by djstevec on Wednesday 11th June 18:26
spent a few hours on the range tonight trying to keep a neutral grip and not gripping too hard, had mixed results as when you're not comfortable it can affect other areas of your swing but I can definitely see this will be the thing that will give me a big benefit. my other key areas i'm working on are my take away going straighter back, maintaining a good tempo and getting my weight through to my left side through impact to try and remove my occasional tendency to hit it fat
djstevec said:
"Lag" is basically how far behind the position of your hands the club-head "lags" behind on the downswing.
You can see in the slightly exaggerated photo below.
In the left pic, the wrists have "unhinged", so the distance the club-head has to travel in relation to the hands to hit the ball isn't greatly differernt, so the speed the club-head will hit the ball will be quite low. Now, in the right hand pic, the hands are in a very similar position to the left pic, but the wrist angle has been maintained and the club-head is 3 feet or so further behind the left pic....so in order for the club to hit the ball at the same time the hands go through, it must travel much faster to catch up.
That additional club-head speed will hit the ball further and the longer you can hold off the unhinging of the wrists, the faster the club-head has to go to catch up.
In all fairness DuncanM, the range I used to practice at was about 260 to the back fence, the fence was about 25ft high (and albeit the range was slightly downhill, range balls dont travel as far, so kinda equals itself out), I would hit pretty much every drive over the fence (Ping G10) and my 2 iron (20+ year old Wilson TR1200) into it on the roll, I would consistently hit my 6iron (20-odd year old Mizuno TP18) about 185-190yds on the range and that was pretty consistent with my real world distance.
Hey Steve,You can see in the slightly exaggerated photo below.
In the left pic, the wrists have "unhinged", so the distance the club-head has to travel in relation to the hands to hit the ball isn't greatly differernt, so the speed the club-head will hit the ball will be quite low. Now, in the right hand pic, the hands are in a very similar position to the left pic, but the wrist angle has been maintained and the club-head is 3 feet or so further behind the left pic....so in order for the club to hit the ball at the same time the hands go through, it must travel much faster to catch up.
That additional club-head speed will hit the ball further and the longer you can hold off the unhinging of the wrists, the faster the club-head has to go to catch up.
In all fairness DuncanM, the range I used to practice at was about 260 to the back fence, the fence was about 25ft high (and albeit the range was slightly downhill, range balls dont travel as far, so kinda equals itself out), I would hit pretty much every drive over the fence (Ping G10) and my 2 iron (20+ year old Wilson TR1200) into it on the roll, I would consistently hit my 6iron (20-odd year old Mizuno TP18) about 185-190yds on the range and that was pretty consistent with my real world distance.
Edited by djstevec on Wednesday 11th June 18:26
All you've really proven is that you're also a long hitter.
Question to you both, how often do you play with anyone as long as you, let alone longer?
Not very often at a guess :-)
BRMMA said:
cheddar said:
Rosscow I was questioning BRMMA's distances when he said:
"I hit it a decent distance (290-320 driver, 205 5-iron, 160 8-iron) but thats nothing exceptional"
Got a little confusing with multiple quotes.
It's what distance I hit it if I hit the ball well (a good strike) there exceptions when I flush one and it goes a bit further and when I'm not striking it well it will go a bit less but for those irons they're what I would use if that was my distance to the pin"I hit it a decent distance (290-320 driver, 205 5-iron, 160 8-iron) but thats nothing exceptional"
Got a little confusing with multiple quotes.
DuncanM said:
Hey Steve,
All you've really proven is that you're also a long hitter.
Question to you both, how often do you play with anyone as long as you, let alone longer?
Not very often at a guess :-)
The other guy in our society I play with regular and he's even more inconsistent than me but is definitely longer, I've seen him hit 300 yards with a hybrid (witnessed by a few others too)All you've really proven is that you're also a long hitter.
Question to you both, how often do you play with anyone as long as you, let alone longer?
Not very often at a guess :-)
There's a couple of near scratch players that are not far off my distance I've played with. I do my practicing at Robert Rocks driving range and he hits it at least as far as I do but does it consistently with a crazy tight dispersion
cheddar said:
Crikey - that's some massive average yardage, your driver distances are higher than any player's average on the PGA tour.
Like I say that's when I hit it well/straight but even if I stuff it in the trees etc I don't think they're less than 250. I practice at the same time as Rob Rock and he's nowhere near the longest on tour and he hits it at least as far as me, I was also watching the Thailand open (or something like that) and lots of players were driving a 350 yard holeBRMMA said:
cheddar said:
Crikey - that's some massive average yardage, your driver distances are higher than any player's average on the PGA tour.
Like I say that's when I hit it well/straight but even if I stuff it in the trees etc I don't think they're less than 250. I practice at the same time as Rob Rock and he's nowhere near the longest on tour and he hits it at least as far as me, I was also watching the Thailand open (or something like that) and lots of players were driving a 350 yard holeThe longest drivers currently on tour are Dustin Johnson and Bubba, both average around 310.
Carl Cooper beat that though:
"Cooper's drive: On the par-4, 456-yard third hole, Cooper launched his drive at the 1992 Texas Open. On the fly, the ball hit a downward-running concrete cart path and took off.
The ball rolled past the fifth green. Then it passed the sixth tee. And finally it came to a stop behind the No. 12 green.
Everyone on site agreed it was a minimum of 750 yards from the No. 3 tee box; some thought it was more than 800. A figure of 787 yards is the one most cited because that's the yardage that was determined by Cooper's caddie.
Cooper had around 300 yards just to get back to the correct green. He hit a 4-iron, then an 8-iron, then a chip shot to get back to the No. 3 green. He wound up with a double bogey.
DuncanM said:
Hey Steve,
All you've really proven is that you're also a long hitter.
Question to you both, how often do you play with anyone as long as you, let alone longer?
Not very often at a guess :-)
Id say longish, you can see from the vid I posted on the old thread I'm pretty tall (so I get good leverage from having long arms) and used to hit the gym a lot so had good power, but you can also see I didnt really go "hard at it", a good tempo and a late wrist release will definitely add distance. Equipment has advanced in leaps and bounds since I bought my irons in the 90's and average club distances have increased across the board. I see Pro's hitting a 9iron 150-160 and I'm like "How far?!!".All you've really proven is that you're also a long hitter.
Question to you both, how often do you play with anyone as long as you, let alone longer?
Not very often at a guess :-)
Whether I'm the longest in the group is usually a matter of who I used to play with.....Society or corp days....yeah usually by a decent distance, but against the AP's or the monthly medal with my usual group at my old club, we were all pretty similar.
The biggest plus point was being able to keep the driver in the bag on most holes and stick to the 2 iron to keep it on the short stuff. Which is something I'd suggest to BRMMA!
djstevec said:
DuncanM said:
Hey Steve,
All you've really proven is that you're also a long hitter.
Question to you both, how often do you play with anyone as long as you, let alone longer?
Not very often at a guess :-)
Id say longish, you can see from the vid I posted on the old thread I'm pretty tall (so I get good leverage from having long arms) and used to hit the gym a lot so had good power, but you can also see I didnt really go "hard at it", a good tempo and a late wrist release will definitely add distance. Equipment has advanced in leaps and bounds since I bought my irons in the 90's and average club distances have increased across the board. I see Pro's hitting a 9iron 150-160 and I'm like "How far?!!".All you've really proven is that you're also a long hitter.
Question to you both, how often do you play with anyone as long as you, let alone longer?
Not very often at a guess :-)
Whether I'm the longest in the group is usually a matter of who I used to play with.....Society or corp days....yeah usually by a decent distance, but against the AP's or the monthly medal with my usual group at my old club, we were all pretty similar.
The biggest plus point was being able to keep the driver in the bag on most holes and stick to the 2 iron to keep it on the short stuff. Which is something I'd suggest to BRMMA!
You guys are both big hitters though, I was only pointing out that to BRMMA and I haven't changed my mind!
I agree BRMMA needs a 'go to' club to keep him on the short stuff. The advantage in being long is to know when to use it.
BRMMA,
Robert Rock has one of the finest swings on tour IMO
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