English Cricket Summer Tests 2016 - NZ & Aus
Discussion
TheAngryDog said:
I havent been able to watch the matches (no SS) and been asleep for most of them as working nights, but as above, we are improving.
Morgan is also seeming to relish in his role, and its nice to see his run scoring is coming back. Our ODI side isnt a bad one, and with more experience, the results will start going our way more.
So glad that Cook isnt in this side. As a Test batsman yes, not many better on his day, but he was never really suited to ODI matches imo.
Cook could have played as opener about 15 years ago. He is too cautious and leaves too many balls. Warner, McCullum, showing the world how to go after the bowlers from the off. Yes you may get out for a couple but you set the tone for the innings and put the bowler on the back footMorgan is also seeming to relish in his role, and its nice to see his run scoring is coming back. Our ODI side isnt a bad one, and with more experience, the results will start going our way more.
So glad that Cook isnt in this side. As a Test batsman yes, not many better on his day, but he was never really suited to ODI matches imo.
Challo said:
TheAngryDog said:
I havent been able to watch the matches (no SS) and been asleep for most of them as working nights, but as above, we are improving.
Morgan is also seeming to relish in his role, and its nice to see his run scoring is coming back. Our ODI side isnt a bad one, and with more experience, the results will start going our way more.
So glad that Cook isnt in this side. As a Test batsman yes, not many better on his day, but he was never really suited to ODI matches imo.
Cook could have played as opener about 15 years ago. He is too cautious and leaves too many balls. Warner, McCullum, showing the world how to go after the bowlers from the off. Yes you may get out for a couple but you set the tone for the innings and put the bowler on the back footMorgan is also seeming to relish in his role, and its nice to see his run scoring is coming back. Our ODI side isnt a bad one, and with more experience, the results will start going our way more.
So glad that Cook isnt in this side. As a Test batsman yes, not many better on his day, but he was never really suited to ODI matches imo.
custardtart said:
Cook has to go, too cautious and slow scoring but England also need a couple of world class, potent strike bowlers that can deliver 150kph balls and hit a consistent line and length - the ashes are in Australia again this year I'm afraid.
I agree on the bowling piece. Broad and Anderson shows that you can be a very good test bowler but struggle in ODI. I think Finn & Plunkett could be our strike bowlers but we certainly need to change up the variety when bowling. Watching the IPL you see a number of bowlers mixing it up with cutters, yorkers, slower bowlers. Hopefully this will come with time.
Not sure Finn has got it these days. He is expensive and doesn't strike often enough to compensate.
Bowls too many slot balls, and doesn't seem to have a change of pace.
We need someone that can break established partnerships, or at least bring control.
Alderman, Fraser, McGrath - Ie not the absolute quickest, but very hard to play against. Finn just doesn't yet have that consistency.
Think Wood could yet prove to be quite effective in this format.
Gargamel said:
Not sure Finn has got it these days. He is expensive and doesn't strike often enough to compensate.
Bowls too many slot balls, and doesn't seem to have a change of pace.
We need someone that can break established partnerships, or at least bring control.
Alderman, Fraser, McGrath - Ie not the absolute quickest, but very hard to play against. Finn just doesn't yet have that consistency.
Think Wood could yet prove to be quite effective in this format.
Agree entirely. Control and consistency AWOL for too much of the time. Need to build pressure to create chances. Bowls too many slot balls, and doesn't seem to have a change of pace.
We need someone that can break established partnerships, or at least bring control.
Alderman, Fraser, McGrath - Ie not the absolute quickest, but very hard to play against. Finn just doesn't yet have that consistency.
Think Wood could yet prove to be quite effective in this format.
Gargamel said:
Not sure Finn has got it these days. He is expensive and doesn't strike often enough to compensate.
Bowls too many slot balls, and doesn't seem to have a change of pace.
We need someone that can break established partnerships, or at least bring control.
Alderman, Fraser, McGrath - Ie not the absolute quickest, but very hard to play against. Finn just doesn't yet have that consistency.
Think Wood could yet prove to be quite effective in this format.
The three you mention had one thing in common. All very accurate. I remember Alderman at his peak. English conditions suited him well and he used to get a lot of LBWs. Going back even further they say that John Snow could hit a single stump 5 balls out of six at full pace. That's accuracy.Bowls too many slot balls, and doesn't seem to have a change of pace.
We need someone that can break established partnerships, or at least bring control.
Alderman, Fraser, McGrath - Ie not the absolute quickest, but very hard to play against. Finn just doesn't yet have that consistency.
Think Wood could yet prove to be quite effective in this format.
I had no chance to watch today's play, so just switched on to see Hales play on. 
I swear this happens more often than not, I just nip in to see the score and it's like cricillit... BANG! the England player is gone.
Must admit I'm enjoying these 300+ ODIs - and was discussing it in the car the other day with my old man. He was saying that it is all very nice to watch all these big 4s and 6s but after a time it get's a bit weary, the bowlers just don't seem to have anything to work with....
I'm inclined to agree, but looking back at the last 2 ODIs, it was plain to see that at the times when it was all going tits up the England bowlers were often 'endlessly' bowling outside the off stump, and as was discussed earlier, that's not where you bowl. It has to be what they always say is line and length, though I sometimes think it should length then line.
What's very interesting these days is the fact that we're shown on the TV where all the balls bounced, what runs were scored, where they were hit.
It's tremendously hard for a bowler out there under the pressure of the tournament to think about luring the batsman into a shot, especially given that they only have six deliveries to work with. (Eight ball over anyone?
)
I remember years back in my 20s playing Sunday League stuff, if in doubt aim for the stumps, but you could see areas where a batsman was a bit uncomfortable, so you'd bowl at him there for a few, then give him a tricky one.
As has been said, I'm not upset about this ODI series as they have been pretty close and very entertaining. The Ashes though, I'm a bit more worried. Have we got the bowling depth?
I swear this happens more often than not, I just nip in to see the score and it's like cricillit... BANG! the England player is gone.
Must admit I'm enjoying these 300+ ODIs - and was discussing it in the car the other day with my old man. He was saying that it is all very nice to watch all these big 4s and 6s but after a time it get's a bit weary, the bowlers just don't seem to have anything to work with....
I'm inclined to agree, but looking back at the last 2 ODIs, it was plain to see that at the times when it was all going tits up the England bowlers were often 'endlessly' bowling outside the off stump, and as was discussed earlier, that's not where you bowl. It has to be what they always say is line and length, though I sometimes think it should length then line.
What's very interesting these days is the fact that we're shown on the TV where all the balls bounced, what runs were scored, where they were hit.
It's tremendously hard for a bowler out there under the pressure of the tournament to think about luring the batsman into a shot, especially given that they only have six deliveries to work with. (Eight ball over anyone?
)I remember years back in my 20s playing Sunday League stuff, if in doubt aim for the stumps, but you could see areas where a batsman was a bit uncomfortable, so you'd bowl at him there for a few, then give him a tricky one.
As has been said, I'm not upset about this ODI series as they have been pretty close and very entertaining. The Ashes though, I'm a bit more worried. Have we got the bowling depth?
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