Wiggins - could this be a Similar issue as Lance A ?
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okgo said:
You'd probably benefit from reading up on cycling a bit.
No thanks, I cycle to the shops sometimes and try to avoid getting into altercations with other road users, that's enough for me. I don't really adhere to the general cycling orthodoxy on here (cars are bad, all cyclists who take inhalers are dopers, competitive cycling on the open road is good) so have no interest in furthering my knowledge. I've read what you and others have linked regarding Wiggins and have found nothing to suggest he's done anything wrong. If the guy genuinely has asthma/hay fever that is. If he doesn't then he's a clear cut cheat. I've also found a surprising ignorance of the nature of the medications involved and a further surprising reliance on internet site gossip and anecdote seemingly accepted as fact. If you can honestly read the articles that have been published and the endless lies told by Sky to try and cover this up then you clearly are less cynical than me.
Of course, its totally legit to fly something across Europe when its available in a shop 2km from where you are staying. And to lie about the reason of that visit in the first place, and deny things happened that have been proven on film to have happened. The whole thing is laughable.
Of course, its totally legit to fly something across Europe when its available in a shop 2km from where you are staying. And to lie about the reason of that visit in the first place, and deny things happened that have been proven on film to have happened. The whole thing is laughable.
okgo said:
You can buy it online right now, its not difficult.
I don't agree with you, most people are not taking anything they can get their hands on.
Is it really though? I've just had a search and yep the name comes up quite often but not so sure I'd buy off of any of those advertising it though. Not saying you can't by the way just saying it's not that simple. I don't agree with you, most people are not taking anything they can get their hands on.
okgo said:
If you can honestly read the articles that have been published and the endless lies told by Sky to try and cover this up then you clearly are less cynical than me.
Of course, its totally legit to fly something across Europe when its available in a shop 2km from where you are staying. And to lie about the reason of that visit in the first place, and deny things happened that have been proven on film to have happened. The whole thing is laughable.
I'm not sure that questionable behaviour/handling by Sky is testament to Wiggins cheating. On the flying 'something across Europe' issue I don't think given how precious Wiggins is to Sky it's hard to see that they'd want a qualified Doctor to provide the medication rather than a corner shop.Of course, its totally legit to fly something across Europe when its available in a shop 2km from where you are staying. And to lie about the reason of that visit in the first place, and deny things happened that have been proven on film to have happened. The whole thing is laughable.
Granfondo said:
mcelliott said:
This is one of the reasons why attempting to make claims that athletic performances indicate doping on the basis of estimated efforts and power to weight is pseudo science.
Secondly I've seen no hard scientific research as to whether taking a catabolic steroid on it's own is a performance enhancer, the medical opinion appears to be that it would actually degrade your muscles unless you offset it with another agent. The people using it pre biological passport were generally on a cocktail of drugs.
Thirdly much of the arguments against Sky are pretty similar to conspiracy theories in character focusing on how they handle questions and focusing on any inconsistencies in evidence which must indicate lying and conspiracy.
I'd flip that around and say if Sky had some organised TUE program I'd expect the first thing they would do is generate a cover story and a paper trail to back it up. On the other hand if they were doing something routine and innocuous I'd suggest that multiple people might have different recollections about events 3-4 years ago.
On the same front if we look at historical drugs taking eventually somebody talks, with the principals retiring the incentive for people to keep quiet lessons. Give this five years if there's no whistle blower I'd call it case closed.
Finally on a fairness front Wiggins thumped all opposition on the world Tour events in 2012, I'd argue that any marginal gain from a TUE would be a drop in the ocean compared to the winning margins.
What the UCI should do isn't to make the TUE system public, what it should do is conduct proper research in public into the effects of TUE's so we can have confidence that they are limited to restoration of a level playing field.
mcelliott said:
Cope left to hang to dry by sky big time, large amounts of kenalog ordered and no record of fluamical being purchased. Hahaha! just say no kids!
David Millar wrote"Once I hit my target levels and felt ready for the big push, a doctor would administer the cortisone via an intramuscular injection. In one sense, it would be like hitting a self-destruct button: The moment the drug entered my body, I would become catabolic. The cortisone would start to strip me down, and I began to use my own body as fuel.
First to go would be the excess fat I hadn’t been able to rid myself of, no matter how strict my diet. Then I would start to feel different: My sleep would become restless, yet in the mornings I’d feel more alert than ever. I’d begin to feel physically stronger, able to do things on the bike previously impossible. For me, this would mean being able to push bigger gears, which is the equivalent of lifting heavier weights. The effect was so powerful that the tendons in my knees and ankles would ache from the increased force they were dealing with."
The full article...
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/16/opinion/sunday/...
This is just too funny. What was the mission statement again? Attention to detail and transparency. Yet they don't keep a record of anything, and their team doctor takes a laptop on holiday apparently detailing all the riders' medical requirement, and it gets stolen. So that was 2014, yes, hmmm, that will coincide with Froome's dodgy TUE at Romandie.
Granfondo said:
mcelliott said:
Kawasicki said:
"Veins I didn’t even know existed would bulge through my skin. The effect of a shot of cortisone was palpable, nothing like the subtle differences from the relatively small doses of EPO and testosterone I’d previously taken.""The three times I took Kenacort were also the times I was the lightest I’d been in my career, yet I didn’t lose power — often the penalty when a rider sheds weight. Physically, I looked like a machine, muscle fibers were visible and a road map of veins crisscrossed my entire body."
Edited by DeltonaS on Wednesday 1st March 20:24
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