Murray's Clearly Not Turning Into Henman mark II

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Justices said:

Murray just destroyed Nadal to win Toyko. Last 3 games of the match, different league and a 60 3rd set to underline the victory.

The only question now is, what charity will I donate your twenty notes to because that Slam is coming

ETA: And by donation to charity I of course mean the undercrackers of the most buxom performer at an establishment not to dissimilar from the..

Edited by Justices on Sunday 9th October 08:55

Yeah yeah...been there, done that, etc etc...

Its all be done before. Murray blows away Rafa or Fed and then gets his ass handed to him by those guys when it REALLY MATTERS.

I've yet to lose a bet on here yet. Getting you to cough up will be the problem

I'll be back for some minor gloating after the first of those 2 slams.











Then some for some more serious piss-taking after the 2nd.

Best get raiding yer kids piggy bank.

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hornetrider said:

im said:

Bookmarked.

It's your thread you fking nugget!!

I know - it's just its been sooooooooo long since I started it and Murray still hasn't won a slam that I'd quite forgotten that this is indeed my thread and as such....




...kindly fk off back to Llan3irfgidbckesdncn or wherever it is Wales you live

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ViperPict said:

im said:

Yeah yeah...been there, done that, etc etc...

Its all be done before. Murray blows away Rafa or Fed and then gets his ass handed to him by those guys when it REALLY MATTERS.

I've yet to lose a bet on here yet. Getting you to cough up will be the problem

I'll be back for some minor gloating after the first of those 2 slams.


Then some for some more serious piss-taking after the 2nd.

Best get raiding yer kids piggy bank.

This idea that consumate professionals like Nadal, Fed and Djokovic don't try in non-slams is deeply disrespectful to them. And total balls too.

Bunkum.

England's footballers also don't try as much for the National team as they do for their clubs.

Whether its John Terry or Rafa Nadal the fact remains that the incentive on offer isn't the same in one as it is in the other.

...or explain Murray's relative ease/frequency in beating Fed, Nadal etc in the 2nd string tournos but complete inability to do so in the big 4 (bar 1 semi final win over Rafa in the US).

They up their game in relation to the rewards at stake.

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chippy17 said:

and beating Nadal in Japan has little bearing on slams, Nadal was not at full throttle

Exactly.

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ViperPict said:

im said:

chippy17 said:

and beating Nadal in Japan has little bearing on slams, Nadal was not at full throttle

Exactly.

Not what Nadal was implying in the post-match interview. But obviously the armchair experts will know better than the man himself...

Well of course we do - we have History and the Stats...others have gut feeling, patriotism and a "well I like him" attitude to back them up.

Oh, and back at ya.

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Justices said:

OneDs said:

The same environment is not present at the weekly tour events, unless you get a rare combination of the top three in the later stages, which they generally go out of the way to avoid.

Edited by OneDs on Monday 10th October 22:28

Good points. Perhaps some misunderstanding but the above quote was my point. The top guys don't need to bring their A-game for the full duration of the match in non-slam events unless they are facing each other. When they do, usually in Masters events or some of the 500's (Nadal/Murray), they take every opportunity to stay on top of their nearest rivals.

If that were true the law of averages would demand that Murray would have won a slam by now as he beats the top guys as much as he loses to them in the 2nd tier tournos. The fact that he doesn't tells you all you need to know about his mental problem and their ability to go to another level in the slams.

And lets get back to this much commented upon 'mental problem' for a moment...from what I can see this 'problem' is only a problem in that he is incapable of stepping up his game when it matters unlike the others...

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Justices said:

Andy into his 3rd straight final, up to #3 in the YTD rankings and a title away from overtaking Federer for #3 in the singles rankings. Great work.

Yeah, yeah...just send me the sore now fella.

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amare32 said:

Can someone change the thread title because Andy is without a shadow of a doubt not a Henman mk2.

No. Not until he actually wins something of Global worth.

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amare32 said:

im said:

No. Not until he actually wins something of Global worth.

And Tim has?

No-thats the whole gist of the thread title...promising much but delivering zilch in World terms...ergo 'turning into Henman'

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Well, almost 2 1/2 years after I started this thread we're still awaiting Murray's 1st Grand Slam title.

Anyone care to forecast that he'll win one this year? Aussie Open is up first and frankly I don't hold out any hope at all.

In that respect, Murray has indeed now completely metamorphosized into Tim.

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eps said:

im said:

Well, almost 2 1/2 years after I started this thread we're still awaiting Murray's 1st Grand Slam title.

Anyone care to forecast that he'll win one this year? Aussie Open is up first and frankly I don't hold out any hope at all.

In that respect, Murray has indeed now completely metamorphosized into Tim.

Eh? Is it in that respect or completely? Make your mind up!!

I love Pedantry. Got any more?

Seriously though. 2 years ago peeps jumped on this thread saying they were sure he'd win a slam "this year" etc etc etc. Same last year IIRC.

Not so vocal this year.

Overrated scottish git. And I'm half-scots.

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MiniMan64 said:

el stovey said:

No. 2 in the world.

He has a long way to fall before he's "turning into Henman"

Henman was number 4 in the world and in the top ten for a decade. He still never won a slam.

I fear the same is coming true for Murray. The US Open is his best chance for a Slam win, it's his best surface and he still can't go up against the big boys on the biggest stage. Don't forget that Nadal has been injured most of the season as well so I still consider Murray a #3 in all honesty.

Murray's now number 4 isn't he?

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Justices said:

I have a bet on with one of you here. Might be our main Murray detractor, not sure. What did we agree on in the end?

Its £20 with me I believe.

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Yep - with me. Melbourne or the US

im said:

I'll take that wager if anyone is interested.

£20 he doesn't win either.

Justices said:

Done.

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Justices said:

Lovely. Care to make it a little more interesting?

Nah, I'm happy to take your £20 and leave it at that. Greed never looks good.

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You appreciate that the bet is strictly that he'll win in either Aus or the US? A Murray victory in either France or at Wimbledon doesn't count.

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Justices said:

im said:

Justices said:

Do you have that wager on as that could be a tasty pick? I think Murray will win his first Slam at either Melbourne or U.S

I'll take that wager if anyone is interested.

£20 he doesn't win either.

Done.

...nothing about "a slam".

Oh dear, does this mean you want out of the bet having come to the conclusion that I'm right?

Moving the goal-posts only works when nobody's watching

In or out?

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el stovey said:

He's not moving the goalposts it's you that's squirming out.

Great match today and great interview afterwards.

I offer £20 that he wins neither the US or Aussie slams, he says "Done".

But...soooooo confident am I that I'll relent and go with Any one of the four slams this year (2012)

Agreed?

Game on.

BTW, I'll be donating my winnings to a charity of my choice as this is all a bit of fun.

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ViperPict said:

And if AM wins a slam this year will you make a full statement saying that you were wrong and he is in a different league to Tim Henman (something that Tim freely admits himself, the humble chap he is)?

I never said he wasn't in a different league to henman

I said he was turning into henman in respect of being built up only to let us all dowm. Always the bridesmaid etc...

Go back and read the 1st page of this thread. I even said I hoped he would win a GS!

Anyway, here's a bet on page 1 I should have taken - It was in 2009 don't forget, 3 years ago (almost)

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Greenie said:

im said:

Greenie said:

Anyway we both seem pretty sure about our views so perhaps we could make it interesting. Are you a sporting man?

Oh this is gonna be interesting...

Not sure if we are allowed to use PH as a gambling format so perhaps we should confirm by email so PM me. Would suggest a GS in the next 3 years and for a few hundred to make the wait worthwhile! Mind you should be all done by dusted by Jan next year at Melbourne.

Nah - not 3 years...crikey, even I'll win one in that time frame...2 years for £100 to the charity of my/your choice?

Edited by im on Saturday 21st January 13:55

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ViperPict said:

That's a bit vague though. Will he still have 'let us down' if he only ever wins one GS?

Hows it vague? It was a comment at a given pointin time about his performance thus far.

Since then e's done nothing to change the "bridesmaid" situation.

If he wins one now, yes he'll have finally laid that ghost to rest but on page 1 I list the ages of when his contemporaries frst won a GS...he's late to the party.