The Cricket World Cup
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Cooky said:
stovey said:
mikeyt said:
hsvgtscoupe said:
well I'm eating my words for a change ...
Well fcuk me!I'm convinced Aus are going to have one bad day in this comp - and it's Wed or Sat. Pref Wed then we won't get HSV crowing until Saturday!
You should all know by now; I keep crowin win lose or draw and if we lose on Wed I'll be dissapointed for sure but it will mean SA (or SL/NZ if it happens next week) would of dug deep & done the bizz. Winning every game so well, makes us clearly & consistently the best team in the world, but that counts for shit for the next two games. I reckon the biggest test will be the semi - I reckon the Proteas are guns and when firing can bury any side the same way we have buried everyone so far. I'll say it again that I reckon the winner of Wednesday's game will hold the trophy next Sat night. And even though contrary to many posts on here that criticise me for me celebrating when the soap dodgers lose, I'll be expecting nothing less than a broadside from you smelly lot if we fall at the last jump!
GO the AUS!
Fair play hsv .... I know you won't hide if your boys fail to progress! You can be sure they'll be a few on here hoping they do.
Can't see Aus failing BUT can they really win THREE World Cups on the trot? Maybe they can ... they're certainly good enough to. Everything has gone toi plan for them in every game though - it just seems to good to be true they can't come unstuck at some point. No team is unbeatable, just the Aussies more so than most.
I feel if they get to the final they will win it no matter who they play. The best chance of an upset and that is what it'll be on Wed - SA will be up for it - just as they were for the first match between the two (as were Aus of course).
It's going to turn into a low, slow picth so they said on Sky, so SA's best chance? Win the toss, bat, score as many as they can and apply the pressure and hopefully get two or three early wickets. I fell that is their only chance in fact. If Aus bat first, I fear a rerun of their earlier game with the same result happening.
I hope it's a cracker whoever wins.
Can't see Aus failing BUT can they really win THREE World Cups on the trot? Maybe they can ... they're certainly good enough to. Everything has gone toi plan for them in every game though - it just seems to good to be true they can't come unstuck at some point. No team is unbeatable, just the Aussies more so than most.
I feel if they get to the final they will win it no matter who they play. The best chance of an upset and that is what it'll be on Wed - SA will be up for it - just as they were for the first match between the two (as were Aus of course).
It's going to turn into a low, slow picth so they said on Sky, so SA's best chance? Win the toss, bat, score as many as they can and apply the pressure and hopefully get two or three early wickets. I fell that is their only chance in fact. If Aus bat first, I fear a rerun of their earlier game with the same result happening.
I hope it's a cracker whoever wins.
Cooky said:
MikeyT said:
I hope it's a cracker whoever wins.
SA/SL or NZ may win the WC but it wont make them the current best side in the world....not by a country mile
Um so what will then exactly? If SA wins, they are #1 by ICC ranking as well as being World Champions. What else would they need to be #1 side in your esteemed opinion?
zaktoo said:
Cooky said:
MikeyT said:
I hope it's a cracker whoever wins.
SA/SL or NZ may win the WC but it wont make them the current best side in the world....not by a country mileI'd say he's prob referring to "form" and if the aussies have one bad day from the awesome disply over recent weeks then some could say they are still the best in the world. Many poms try & use the same "form" argument every time their sad lot string a couple of wins together but you have to have a 80-90% from last 10-15 matches to really be called "in form" IMO. SA's form has been rocky at best during the WC and SL & NZ have been up & down like a hooker's skirt as well. However, that's only one aspect of being the best - surely, not folding on a big occasion means a lot too, so SA may well deserve "best in the world" status if they take the cookies this week - certainly next sat there will be one team that is "the best in the world", at least for that day! As far as ICC rankings go, not sure if a straight win by SA on Wed will actually put you back on top; I think it may depend on how much you win by? Anyway - I'm sure everyone agrees that no amount of good form or sitting on top of some stats table can replace the feeling of holding aloft the WC trophy so good luck to all four sides this week (esp the dinky di, green & gold, best in the fckin world, undefeated in WC since 1999, double world champs!)
Edited by hsvgtscoupe on Monday 23 April 06:49
zaktoo said:
Um so what will then exactly? If SA wins, they are #1 by ICC ranking as well as being World Champions. What else would they need to be #1 side in your esteemed opinion?
To beat Australia consistently over in ODIs over an extended period.
No-one can match Aus on their day. SA went No.1 recently but that was just stats - but all cricket watchers know who is the best team.
Hey Unrep - your boy Pthas is looking good -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/crick
Should he get the nod though for the upcoming series or has, as they alluded to on Sky the other night, Nixon deserved his chance.
SA and AUs wouldn't be so sentimental - when you're gone, you're gone.
I was watching Nixon bat on Sat thinking it was maybe his last England innings.
hsvgtscoupe said:
I'd say he's prob referring to "form" and if the aussies have one bad day from the awesome disply over recent weeks then some could say they are still the best in the world. Many poms try & use the same "form" argument every time their sad lot string a couple of wins together
Why does it only take you until the second sentence to lay into us hsv, you should try and be more constructive about deficiencies in team less able than your own, or have you no ideas on how to solve the problems?
MikeyT said:
hsvgtscoupe said:
I'd say he's prob referring to "form" and if the aussies have one bad day from the awesome disply over recent weeks then some could say they are still the best in the world. Many poms try & use the same "form" argument every time their sad lot string a couple of wins together
Why does it only take you until the second sentence to lay into us hsv, you should try and be more constructive about deficiencies in team less able than your own, or have you no ideas on how to solve the problems?Sorry to kick a dog while it's down.. just a little wind up for my good mate unrep who loved referring to England's "form" from the end of the Oz tour every chance he had. Sledging aside I'm always offerring my humble opinion on what Eng should do to improve it's fortunes. Looking at the London marathon yesterday maybe get some wheelchair athletes to play for the cricket team (
) could be worthwhile - great double winning effort from the poms in the mens & womens race yesterday - Dave Weir even outran (or outrolled?) an Aussie to win the mens in a gutsy sprint to the line! 
Well, best odds on SA ar 2.3:1. If they were 5s, it would be worth a bet.
We (the Aussies) are the best team in world cricket - without a doubt. BUT, 1 day cricket is a great leveller and any of the last 4 teams left in the WC can win on their day.
All it takes os for Smith, De Villiers and Kallis or Gibbs to fire and SA can post 350+ against any sode in the world. Sam with the other teams - so, though i expect and hope the Ausssies to make it three World Cups in a row, I won't be shocked if they lose to SA or in the final - top flight sport is like that.
Either way, lets hope the three remaining games are competitive spectacles - the WC has been pretty dull so far.
We (the Aussies) are the best team in world cricket - without a doubt. BUT, 1 day cricket is a great leveller and any of the last 4 teams left in the WC can win on their day.
All it takes os for Smith, De Villiers and Kallis or Gibbs to fire and SA can post 350+ against any sode in the world. Sam with the other teams - so, though i expect and hope the Ausssies to make it three World Cups in a row, I won't be shocked if they lose to SA or in the final - top flight sport is like that.
Either way, lets hope the three remaining games are competitive spectacles - the WC has been pretty dull so far.
johnfm said:
Smith De Villiers Kallis Gibbs
They'll all need to mate otherwise the Aussies will win at a canter ...
I don't care who wins either semi to be honest - I just want to see some good play and a close finish ...
Are the Proteas still thinking about 1999 though? It was there for the taking ... there are lots of players still there now from that infamous game - on both sides.
MikeyT said:
zaktoo said:
Um so what will then exactly? If SA wins, they are #1 by ICC ranking as well as being World Champions. What else would they need to be #1 side in your esteemed opinion?
To beat Australia consistently over in ODIs over an extended period.
What, setting a world record score (at the time) and also the highest successful run chase ever (still), winning the last SA-Aus ODI series and being ranked above Aus in the ICC rankings sounds to me like we have their measure. Sure, they might just have conditions more in their favour in the Caribbean, but we're still there and can do it yet, and our recent record against the cons is pretty even really.
MikeyT said:
No-one can match Aus on their day. SA went No.1 recently but that was just stats - but all cricket watchers know who is the best team.
Hey Unrep - your boy Pthas is looking good -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/crick
Another SA player. He was overlooked for Boucher, which has always weakened our (SA) team. Boucher is only his equal with the bat, and is vastly inferior as a 'keeper. Pothas also has more backbone. I don't mind losing the tool, but I've always wished for Pothas to have been our #1 choice wickie.
stovey said:
Have the South Africans stopped doing all the match fixing? Perhaps that's what England have been involved in?
Yeah.. I reckon yr onto sumfin there mate.. I was really
strugglinto come up with an explanation for how you beat the windies but it all makes sense now 
zak the sud-effrikan said:
stuff about his beloved team
I reckon that player for player you guys are ded level with the Aussies from a batting perspective and can still belt phone numbers off any ODI side. From bowling perspective though I reckon we are better than your current list - with Tait's random speed, Glenda's coolness at the right times & bracken & piggy to mix it all up, there lies the biggest diff between us & you. Translated into how well each attack can hold back a strong batting side, I reckon that's at least a 50-80 run diff head to head. The other honest diff between SA & Oz is that SA have never really shaken the choker label. They are more vunerable in real presha cricket than the Aussies, especially on the big occasions. I really think that the loss to us after you were steaming along at 8 per over really threw a psychological wobbly in the Protea camp for a week or two. I still reckon you'll give it a big shake on Wed as you have it all to prove & not as much to lose as the Aussies. I think we are justified as faves but no better than 60/40 chance IMO.
Edited by hsvgtscoupe on Monday 23 April 21:06
stovey said:
Have the South Africans stopped doing all the match fixing? Perhaps that's what England have been involved in? It's the only explanation apart from the possibility that they are just crap.
Now now.
You can't say the poms have ever been involved in match fixing... ...because no-one's ever had to pay them to lose
zaktoo said:
MikeyT said:
zaktoo said:
Um so what will then exactly? If SA wins, they are #1 by ICC ranking as well as being World Champions. What else would they need to be #1 side in your esteemed opinion?
To beat Australia consistently over in ODIs over an extended period.
What, setting a world record score (at the time) and also the highest successful run chase ever (still), winning the last SA-Aus ODI series and being ranked above Aus in the ICC rankings sounds to me like we have their measure. Sure, they might just have conditions more in their favour in the Caribbean, but we're still there and can do it yet, and our recent record against the cons is pretty even really.
MikeyT said:
No-one can match Aus on their day. SA went No.1 recently but that was just stats - but all cricket watchers know who is the best team.
Hey Unrep - your boy Pthas is looking good -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/crick
Another SA player. He was overlooked for Boucher, which has always weakened our (SA) team. Boucher is only his equal with the bat, and is vastly inferior as a 'keeper. Pothas also has more backbone. I don't mind losing the tool, but I've always wished for Pothas to have been our #1 choice wickie.
Come on Zak you're pushing it a bit ... you really think SA are the equal of the Aussie team, Near mate, but not that close.
I don't agree with HSV either on the batting front - you're not a match 1-7 for the Aussies ... again close but you that line-up doesn't have the mental toughness that they have. Or the brute power to be honest. The Aussies play as a unit and while you lot are close, again you're not close enought for me.
On the bowling front, Aus are the best by a mile - Ntini is too short and all over the place, Pollock can get knocked off that metronome length by someone decent (Hayden), you've no spinner (well, Smith, if you can call him that) and Nel is to short to a decent player and although he looks fiery enough, Ponting would surely take him apart on a good pitch.
Then Hall and Langeveld - not bad back up bowlers but I wouldn't expect to see the Aussie middle order quaking in their boots.
That's not to say the Aussie bowlers can't be 'got at' but man for man, like for like, you're not up there yet)
Mind you saying all that, nothing would bring more of a smile to my face than Aus being 30-3 chasing 280!
Edited by MikeyT on Monday 23 April 22:49
lest we forget
SL's 289 looks pretty good, amazing last 10 overs 102 runs
all bowlers went for over 5 rpo, that's not too good.
NZ will have to bat very well, I don't think they'll manage it unless Fleming and Taylor have a massive change in form and get stuck into them. On their day they are well capable but I just don't see it.
all bowlers went for over 5 rpo, that's not too good.
NZ will have to bat very well, I don't think they'll manage it unless Fleming and Taylor have a massive change in form and get stuck into them. On their day they are well capable but I just don't see it.
Cooky said:
SL's 289 looks pretty good, amazing last 10 overs 102 runs
all bowlers went for over 5 rpo, that's not too good.
NZ will have to bat very well, I don't think they'll manage it unless Fleming and Taylor have a massive change in form and get stuck into them. On their day they are well capable but I just don't see it.
all bowlers went for over 5 rpo, that's not too good.
NZ will have to bat very well, I don't think they'll manage it unless Fleming and Taylor have a massive change in form and get stuck into them. On their day they are well capable but I just don't see it.
Great start by the halfback flankers - spit's gawn early - sheep shaggers gunna have to dig reeeeeel deep to pull this one out the bag!
Cooky said:
SL's 289 looks pretty good, amazing last 10 overs 102 runs
all bowlers went for over 5 rpo, that's not too good.
NZ will have to bat very well, I don't think they'll manage it unless Fleming and Taylor have a massive change in form and get stuck into them. On their day they are well capable but I just don't see it.
all bowlers went for over 5 rpo, that's not too good.
NZ will have to bat very well, I don't think they'll manage it unless Fleming and Taylor have a massive change in form and get stuck into them. On their day they are well capable but I just don't see it.
SL are looking stronger now. Dont quite have the batting power of Aus, but their bowlers arguably look even more dangerous.
Malinga just took fleming. He is awesome. Reminds me of waqar younis with an extra-unorthodox action.
I hope SL get to the final.
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