Debate over compulsory cycle helmets
Discussion
aizvara said:
Somewhat unnecessarily patronising and noisy response, and faintly ironic given how you missed off the end of the Cochrane report's conclusion:
Hardly a conclusion worth your ridiculous hyperbole.
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What ever you do don't get wound up about this will you
The kids data is based on older helmets too that were much heavier and they hadn't developed sufficiently strong neck muscles to support the extra weight.... no study on new lighter weight helmets and kids are very different as depends on age and ossification of their skulls.
The cochrane reviews conclusion is still the same though it's not the final word just the conclusion based on the current data out their which is interesting as it was hightlighted as showing evidence for not wearing helmets?!?!!?
No more from me on this, it has the potential to be another never ending thread like the last one.... same old views same old circles....
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Parrot of Doom said:
SplatSpeed said:
when on a public road you have no rear vision what so ever. This is the case that screems out for the use of a helmet. IMHO.
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ks. When cycling my rearward vision is almost as good as when I'm driving. It's called a neck, and peripheral vision. And ears.Gnarlybluesurf said:
What ever you do don't get wound up about this will you
Too late! Sorry for being tetchy; it must be the angry-internet-cyclist in me.Gnarlybluesurf said:
No more from me on this, it has the potential to be another never ending thread like the last one.... same old views same old circles....
Ah, another of those recurring threads. I'm out too, then.SplatSpeed said:
ahh yes you are right I often see cyclists looking over there shoulder every 5 seconds!
No you won't, because we don't need to. We have ears that tell us when to look over our shoulder, and even then we often don't need to turn our heads much.But of course none of this you'll know about, because you don't have a f
king clue how to ride a bike.Parrot of Doom said:
SplatSpeed said:
ahh yes you are right I often see cyclists looking over there shoulder every 5 seconds!
No you won't, because we don't need to. We have ears that tell us when to look over our shoulder, and even then we often don't need to turn our heads much.But of course none of this you'll know about, because you don't have a f
king clue how to ride a bike.Parrot of Doom said:
No you won't, because we don't need to. We have ears that tell us when to look over our shoulder, and even then we often don't need to turn our heads much.
But of course none of this you'll know about, because you don't have a fking clue how to ride a bike.
yeah sorry you guys are perfect.But of course none of this you'll know about, because you don't have a f
king clue how to ride a bike.radar for ears
night peripheral vision
why would you need helmets? your special!
SplatSpeed said:
Parrot of Doom said:
No you won't, because we don't need to. We have ears that tell us when to look over our shoulder, and even then we often don't need to turn our heads much.
But of course none of this you'll know about, because you don't have a fking clue how to ride a bike.
yeah sorry you guys are perfect.But of course none of this you'll know about, because you don't have a f
king clue how to ride a bike.radar for ears
night peripheral vision
why would you need helmets? your special!
Meanwhile in the UK, will the time come when we need to don helmets upon waking up, just in case like, cos y'know, you can't be too safe, etc?
What should we be wearing though, for that dangerous hike from our front doors to our 4x4's?
Mandatory seems too draconian to me. I choose to wear one as I think the potential benefits outweigh the costs but I want to make that decision, not have that decision made for me. It's likely that those making these decisons don't even cycle that much !
Re the low countries, don't forget that they also have an extensive network of cycle specific paths, esp in Belgium so the dnager of traffic and bikes beign in the same space at the same time is lowered. Plus as has already been pinted out more of the car drivers are cyclists too so recognise the vulnerability of the cyclist compared to a car and drive accordingly. The other factor is I have found is that IMHO the Europeans are less stressed drivers than the Brits and so are prepared to wait 2 secsonds and give clear room on a overtake rather than squeeze you over on the road. It's not always true but is a more general feeling I have.
Getting down to the NHS arguement cost side of things I think doesn't hold water. We don't limit access to services to heavy smokers or drinkers or obese folk who carry on stuffing their faces regardless and develop type 2 diabetes do we? Not only have we paid our NI contributions in the first palce but also as we get fitter we will generally be more healthy and consume less of the NHS on an ongoing basis.
This is one for the government to step out of and leave me to make my choice
Re the low countries, don't forget that they also have an extensive network of cycle specific paths, esp in Belgium so the dnager of traffic and bikes beign in the same space at the same time is lowered. Plus as has already been pinted out more of the car drivers are cyclists too so recognise the vulnerability of the cyclist compared to a car and drive accordingly. The other factor is I have found is that IMHO the Europeans are less stressed drivers than the Brits and so are prepared to wait 2 secsonds and give clear room on a overtake rather than squeeze you over on the road. It's not always true but is a more general feeling I have.
Getting down to the NHS arguement cost side of things I think doesn't hold water. We don't limit access to services to heavy smokers or drinkers or obese folk who carry on stuffing their faces regardless and develop type 2 diabetes do we? Not only have we paid our NI contributions in the first palce but also as we get fitter we will generally be more healthy and consume less of the NHS on an ongoing basis.
This is one for the government to step out of and leave me to make my choice
CVP said:
Re the low countries, don't forget that they also have an extensive network of cycle specific paths, esp in Belgium so the dnager of traffic and bikes beign in the same space at the same time is lowered. Plus as has already been pinted out more of the car drivers are cyclists too so recognise the vulnerability of the cyclist compared to a car and drive accordingly. The other factor is I have found is that IMHO the Europeans are less stressed drivers than the Brits and so are prepared to wait 2 secsonds and give clear room on a overtake rather than squeeze you over on the road. It's not always true but is a more general feeling I have.
So is it right then that rather than strive to have better drivers and keeping bad drivers off the road, cyclists should armour-plate themselves?Why can't people have the freedom to do what people in other countries (not far from here) do?
heebeegeetee said:
So is it right then that rather than strive to have better drivers and keeping bad drivers off the road, cyclists should armour-plate themselves?
the days of driving being considered a skill are over, sorry that is the fact of the matter.I was driving 50 mph in a 50 limit, car pulls out of a side street straight infront of me, I manage to avoid and swerve around him and bring the car to a safe stop. Only to be rearended by this idiot.
He admitted I didn't have room to stop, after falsly claiming I overtook him. then the judge rulled it wasn't his fault as i was a good driver.
So yes it is now official case law, you cannot expect people to drive properly!
PS. their driving kills you not them!
On the original topic, why do people feel the need to interfere in other peoples' lives? If someone doesn't want to wear a helmet that's their choice and their responsibility should they come a cropper and headbut a kerb.
Personally I wear one all the time and downhilling I'm padded up like an American footballer with a full-face helmet, body armour, the lot (although over-protective parents dressing their kids up in neck braces is a separate and hot debate on the trails!). Seen a cracked skull and lost teeth through a full face helmet and as far as I'm concerned it's saved my noggin more than once, I've only got one head and I'm quite attached to it.
But who am I to tell an old geezer on a cycle track it's now compulory to wear a helmet? I'd sound like a milk monitor. It's his choice
Personally I wear one all the time and downhilling I'm padded up like an American footballer with a full-face helmet, body armour, the lot (although over-protective parents dressing their kids up in neck braces is a separate and hot debate on the trails!). Seen a cracked skull and lost teeth through a full face helmet and as far as I'm concerned it's saved my noggin more than once, I've only got one head and I'm quite attached to it.
But who am I to tell an old geezer on a cycle track it's now compulory to wear a helmet? I'd sound like a milk monitor. It's his choice
Parrot of Doom said:
SplatSpeed said:
ahh yes you are right I often see cyclists looking over there shoulder every 5 seconds!
No you won't, because we don't need to. We have ears that tell us when to look over our shoulder, and even then we often don't need to turn our heads much.But of course none of this you'll know about, because you don't have a f
king clue how to ride a bike.Gassing Station | Pedal Powered | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff