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Dizeee said:
Rofl... you do crack me up with your flippant and totally inaccurate commentary on my rides!
My last night commute was in 2013 and I certainly don't think anybody could care less about my riding.
I don't follow you, but you posted up some pathetic KOM the other day that you had done at near midnight. My last night commute was in 2013 and I certainly don't think anybody could care less about my riding.
As said above, I can count the amount of times I've done real 20mph avg into work or home even on one hand, and that would have taken a tailwind of some proportion, but of course I'm nowhere near your standard
get a grip https://www.strava.com/segments/4694485?filter=ove... - in to London
https://www.strava.com/segments/3550823?filter=ove... - out of London
I think that says it all really, that is not evening taking into account the slower bit for most people when out of the park, or taking into account their commute from Embankment into where they actually work - I've ridden both of those segments nearly 300 times according to Strava and I've averaged over 20mph according to strava 6 times on the way in with a common SW strong wind, and I've averaged over 20 mph on the way once, just once.
Of course you could just say that you commute at strange times of the day AND that you commute to Z3 in South London, which most people would barely class as commuting into London.
But you won't do that, obviously.
https://www.strava.com/segments/3550823?filter=ove... - out of London
I think that says it all really, that is not evening taking into account the slower bit for most people when out of the park, or taking into account their commute from Embankment into where they actually work - I've ridden both of those segments nearly 300 times according to Strava and I've averaged over 20mph according to strava 6 times on the way in with a common SW strong wind, and I've averaged over 20 mph on the way once, just once.
Of course you could just say that you commute at strange times of the day AND that you commute to Z3 in South London, which most people would barely class as commuting into London.
But you won't do that, obviously.
Nothing will kill the thread, its all relevant anyway as its a Strava thread.
You cannot expect to come wading in with comments about never averaging less than 19mph without someone questioning it!
Anyway, its total fiction so we need not worry - NEXT!
I've just created a segment from near my door, to near my work, bet I've NEVER averaged 20mph into work.
You cannot expect to come wading in with comments about never averaging less than 19mph without someone questioning it!
Anyway, its total fiction so we need not worry - NEXT!
I've just created a segment from near my door, to near my work, bet I've NEVER averaged 20mph into work.
yellowjack said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but I don't see Dizeee's Strava name on either of those leaderboards. Time to stop now. The argument is getting pretty foggy.
Whether a person records with autopause or not (I do) or even if they only begin recording on fast stretches after warming up inside their privacy zone is largely irrelevant. As, according to some on here, is average speed. But I like to watch my average, as beyond segments it's the only real guide I've got to whether I'm improving or just stood still. I'm slow. Almost always the slowest of the folk I 'follow' on Strava over any given segment. I also hold some pretty contemptible KOMs, which few people actually give a stuff about. I don't 'know' my heart rate zones, have hit a brick wall with regard to upping my cadence, and have no access to a power metre or turbo trainer.
I'm failing to see what point there is to either side of this to-ing and fro-ing, especially as it's well on the way to personal abuse. Just live and let live. Autopause works for some, as does posting (artificially) high averages by excluding warm-ups and cool-downs. I don't know if anyone on here is doing that, nor do I care. But it really bothers me when folk who apparently share at least two similar interests seem hell bent on kicking off a row over something as meaningless and trivial as Strava.
Reading an article in a bike mag t'other day, it was pointed out that rider 'x' had been KOM on a segment for three years. But that if rider 'y' uploaded his hillclimb winning ride to Strava, rider 'y' would easily take the KOM away. What the Strava addicts and KOM-hunters often fail to realise is that they may well be KOM on one particular website, but that there's every chance that there is someone far quicker than them riding their turf, but either not recording to GPS, or just uploading it elsewhere. Blowing out of your arse to say that you've gone quicker than your last effort, or your riding buddy's best effort? Fine. But don't go giving yourself a stroke to get a KOM, when Strava's not the authoritative list of everyone who everroad rode a segment...
FWIW: I hold both okgo and Dizeee in high regard as cyclists, because they are far quicker than I will ever be. Reading the 'Racing Thread' on here, and seeing some of the speeds/times recorded in races by large numbers of Strava users I follow, I know enough to realise that racing on tarmac is something I'll never be successful at. I just don't have the appetite for hurting that I once did. I'll stick to mucking about at the back of XC/Enduro MTB races, with half an eye on a point or two in a series. But even then, the winning rider in a race might not have got anywhere near a Strava KOM-beating time. But who takes home the medals and the prize money?
Strava? It might shock people to find out that it's not actually real life racing.
There's nothing foggy about it, you've just missed my point.Whether a person records with autopause or not (I do) or even if they only begin recording on fast stretches after warming up inside their privacy zone is largely irrelevant. As, according to some on here, is average speed. But I like to watch my average, as beyond segments it's the only real guide I've got to whether I'm improving or just stood still. I'm slow. Almost always the slowest of the folk I 'follow' on Strava over any given segment. I also hold some pretty contemptible KOMs, which few people actually give a stuff about. I don't 'know' my heart rate zones, have hit a brick wall with regard to upping my cadence, and have no access to a power metre or turbo trainer.
I'm failing to see what point there is to either side of this to-ing and fro-ing, especially as it's well on the way to personal abuse. Just live and let live. Autopause works for some, as does posting (artificially) high averages by excluding warm-ups and cool-downs. I don't know if anyone on here is doing that, nor do I care. But it really bothers me when folk who apparently share at least two similar interests seem hell bent on kicking off a row over something as meaningless and trivial as Strava.
Reading an article in a bike mag t'other day, it was pointed out that rider 'x' had been KOM on a segment for three years. But that if rider 'y' uploaded his hillclimb winning ride to Strava, rider 'y' would easily take the KOM away. What the Strava addicts and KOM-hunters often fail to realise is that they may well be KOM on one particular website, but that there's every chance that there is someone far quicker than them riding their turf, but either not recording to GPS, or just uploading it elsewhere. Blowing out of your arse to say that you've gone quicker than your last effort, or your riding buddy's best effort? Fine. But don't go giving yourself a stroke to get a KOM, when Strava's not the authoritative list of everyone who ever
FWIW: I hold both okgo and Dizeee in high regard as cyclists, because they are far quicker than I will ever be. Reading the 'Racing Thread' on here, and seeing some of the speeds/times recorded in races by large numbers of Strava users I follow, I know enough to realise that racing on tarmac is something I'll never be successful at. I just don't have the appetite for hurting that I once did. I'll stick to mucking about at the back of XC/Enduro MTB races, with half an eye on a point or two in a series. But even then, the winning rider in a race might not have got anywhere near a Strava KOM-beating time. But who takes home the medals and the prize money?
Strava? It might shock people to find out that it's not actually real life racing.
I think you are essentially agreeing with everything I've ever said about riding a bike fast apart from the very early days before I began tocompete, go and do it with other people who are trying to ride a bike fast. I pay almost no attention to KOM's (RP lap is an exception), the fact I have a few is with one or two exceptions purely the result of a race/ride with no intention of hunting KOM's - to my detriment obviously as I could have got a mention in this weeks Cycling Weekly if I did http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest-news/ki... - luckily for me the number of people who could upload and beat me is a lot smaller than many, so I'll sleep easy knowing Dizeee probably doesn't have a secret Richmond Park lap up his sleeve to shatter my dreams.
Dizeee said:
Two miles to a train station isn't a commute and whether you accept it or not I regularly manage a rush hour commute at pace. Maybe you should brush up on your filtering skills and stop leaning on buses.
Try riding into actual London at a time where most other people commute and let me know how you get on with that 20mph avg. You would by far the quickest commuter who bothers to use strava. We can do a race if you want, I would imagine my filtering is probably somewhat better than you may think
Nothing petulant about it, just so bored of reading your constant crap.
Edited by okgo on Thursday 1st October 22:27
WestyCarl said:
PH race, I'm in 
An unofficial event, starting at 7 Dials, Cov Garden, finishing in Kingston Market Sq, any route goes - risk the A3 if you fancy - must be between 5.30 and 7pm departure time on a weekday, no autopause, no RLJ'ing - highest average wins @ Ewen - Strava for show, results for dough? /bobbygeorge
Devil2575 said:
EFA
WRT to races, yes i'm sure it's great to do well in races but it doesn't tell you any more than Strava does it?
It's not like everyone who's any good enters every race
On a more serious note, is there really any value in trying to prove that you are better than other cyclists on an internet forum and that your method of doing so is more valid?
As long as you enjoy cycling and your method of measuring your performance works for you then that's fine with me. I don't much care whether that is Strava segments, average speed or race results. Live and let live
It tells you plenty more than Strava, and yes, most of the time at a decent race most of the decent riders from that area will enter. Certainly true of the Crystal Palace crits I did over summer, usually got the same strong guys each week, and also most of them are on Strava too.WRT to races, yes i'm sure it's great to do well in races but it doesn't tell you any more than Strava does it?
It's not like everyone who's any good enters every race
On a more serious note, is there really any value in trying to prove that you are better than other cyclists on an internet forum and that your method of doing so is more valid?
As long as you enjoy cycling and your method of measuring your performance works for you then that's fine with me. I don't much care whether that is Strava segments, average speed or race results. Live and let live
There is no value, most people know where they stand, though to answer your question, there is no better method than racing, that is why it exists - generally the best cyclists compete in one way or another be it road racing or time trials, or both - that is how I know where I stand, thanks to national championship events where all the best people at that discipline enter. If that isn't a better yardstick than how quick you may or may not ride to work I really don't know what is.
Banana Boy said:
Tried 'doing a Dizeee' today on my weekend ride out...
Managed 19.25mph
, it was going quite well until I hit the 'four winds' of the Fens* where a stiff wind dragged me back and then the cramps and aches set in and it was game over...
Oh well, at least it gives me a winter training target for next year.
https://www.strava.com/activities/405233775/overvi...
Try dropping a gear or two, 105 cadence is probably too much Managed 19.25mph
, it was going quite well until I hit the 'four winds' of the Fens* where a stiff wind dragged me back and then the cramps and aches set in and it was game over... Oh well, at least it gives me a winter training target for next year.
https://www.strava.com/activities/405233775/overvi...
- I fully understand that various facts and figures 'prove' that the Fens are no windier than any other parts of the UK but I believe that the flat, feature free nature of the geography leaves the rider more exposed to swirling winds travelling to and from the coast. (just before anybody pipes up!)
105 is pretty high, 95 is is still quite high but more like what most people do, just try dropping a cog and see how you feel, I've got a single speed bike and its far harder to ride it at 25 mph than it is riding my geared bike at 25 mph because the SS requires 110rpm vs 90 or whatever I prefer on the road bike - for me anyway
Was properly nailing it last night, mainly trying to drop someone from my wheel a lot of the time, but even with a normalised power of around 340W and an average on my garmin which displays real everything including stopping at lights etc I still have an AP of 250W I still only avg'd 18.8mph according to Strava for my commute (headwind granted).
I don't think its possible at the minute if you leave at normal times to average 20mph from town to somewhere like where I live, too much traffic and too many roadworks.
I don't think its possible at the minute if you leave at normal times to average 20mph from town to somewhere like where I live, too much traffic and too many roadworks.
Don1 said:
I know what you are trying to say, and I know you're not that kind of person, but damn that comes across as very sneery and elitist. Trust me, cycling with a broken shoulder and trying to heal from a broken hip (achieved at the same time), 2 miles each way is quite enough of a commute.
To be fair, you've probably taken it a bit out of context. He's right, 2 miles on a bike would probably not be classed as much of a commute, people in full suits do more than that on boris bikes from the stations each day - obviously a broken shoulder is going to make anything considerably more difficult....IroningMan said:
20mph would be a pretty good average for that part of the world in a car...
Oh, you'd never manage it in a car, not even close. I would imagine that in a car if you left Temple (my office) at 6, and I left at 6 heading to Kingston that I would be home by the time the car perhaps made it to Putney, maybe not even that far during rush hr, its got even worse with the building work on the new bike lanes (ironic).Gassing Station | Pedal Powered | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff