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It seems that the only way to be absolutly sure about a "right of way" is to gain access to the County Councils "Definitive Map". I have made a few call and a very nice lady called me back to make an appointment to view the map. When she found out that it was a 60 mile trip she asked what areas I was interested in and why, she will now e-mail over the maps I am interested in to save me the trip!
"it may be next week, but I will get you the maps"
Superb!
Trying to find out how to get a path added to the map ... if it was in use before 1959 then it will have to be added ... apparently....
"it may be next week, but I will get you the maps"
Superb!
Trying to find out how to get a path added to the map ... if it was in use before 1959 then it will have to be added ... apparently....
Mr Scruff said:
And it amuses me to move them out of the way too. I'm dressed for mud so there's no skin off my nose!
My worst biking accident so far, was heaving a felled tree of the trail. I was walking backwards with one end of the log against my chest, when my heel caught a sappling, and I fell backwards.I thought I would be crushed to death ! When I realised I was still alive, I was in a rage because I assumed my Endura jacket would have been ruined. Not a mark on the jacket, but I had a badly grazed/bruised arm and chest.
Gooby said:
It seems that the only way to be absolutly sure about a "right of way" is to gain access to the County Councils "Definitive Map". I have made a few call and a very nice lady called me back to make an appointment to view the map. When she found out that it was a 60 mile trip she asked what areas I was interested in and why, she will now e-mail over the maps I am interested in to save me the trip!
"it may be next week, but I will get you the maps"
Superb!
Trying to find out how to get a path added to the map ... if it was in use before 1959 then it will have to be added ... apparently....
Can you just compare the new OS maps with old ones? I assume you're trying to get a bridle path or right of way added to an OS map?"it may be next week, but I will get you the maps"
Superb!
Trying to find out how to get a path added to the map ... if it was in use before 1959 then it will have to be added ... apparently....
http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm
Sideways Tim said:
Horse riders will often put logs across trails as it gives them something to jump over - they're just trying to have fun, same as the rest of us.
Kick some mud against said tree trunk and you get an instant take-off lip. Perfect fun for horses and bikers alike.Or bunnyhop the bugger
Yeah, I'd like backflip over that mo-fo! Or just be impressed by making a decent landing the other side and a bit of an x-up.
Out in the Alps a couple of years back I was dead chuffed with my first run clearing the Chatel road gap (8-ft high take-off ramp over a road) ... until my mate followed me over laying a dead flat table-top on his first attempt! Bastid! Just piss on my parade why don't you!
Out in the Alps a couple of years back I was dead chuffed with my first run clearing the Chatel road gap (8-ft high take-off ramp over a road) ... until my mate followed me over laying a dead flat table-top on his first attempt! Bastid! Just piss on my parade why don't you!
el stovey said:
Can you just compare the new OS maps with old ones? I assume you're trying to get a bridle path or right of way added to an OS map?
http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm
I have the OS for the area, It shows the paths that I know are there, I want to know if I can access these paths. The landowner is erecting fences across the paths. I would guess that the paths have been there for a VERY long time and as the gates are not locked, there is an access. I just want it confirmed.http://wtp2.appspot.com/wheresthepath.htm
I have met the landowner, and been asked to leave but not knowing the right questions to ask, I simply left.
Another part of the estate is being fenced off, this seems odd to me and the path crosses on to National Trust land, it is a Bridal path/way. The bridal way is through very old woodland and there is no sign of trees on the path, the path has all the signs of being 100's of years old.
On my parents land, I know if a right-of-way is not used for 4 years, you can apply to have that right removed. I think the landowner is trying to have rights-of-way removed
t myself just looking down the start of the Anne Caro DH track."Bridleways and bridlepaths are the same thing"
No they're not. It may be that the term "bridle path" is now defunct and replaced by footpath, which more or less indicates its intended use, but not all footpaths are rights of way. We've got loads of the things where I live and most have stiles or narrow gates preventing horses from accessing them, and if horses can't then 'bikes can't either, although it's a lot easier lifting a 'bike over a stile than it is a horse! Hampshire marks its footpaths with a yellow disc and bridleways with a blue one. Not sure whether that's the same everywhere though.
No they're not. It may be that the term "bridle path" is now defunct and replaced by footpath, which more or less indicates its intended use, but not all footpaths are rights of way. We've got loads of the things where I live and most have stiles or narrow gates preventing horses from accessing them, and if horses can't then 'bikes can't either, although it's a lot easier lifting a 'bike over a stile than it is a horse! Hampshire marks its footpaths with a yellow disc and bridleways with a blue one. Not sure whether that's the same everywhere though.
Gooby said:
I have the OS for the area, It shows the paths that I know are there, I want to know if I can access these paths. The landowner is erecting fences across the paths. I would guess that the paths have been there for a VERY long time and as the gates are not locked, there is an access. I just want it confirmed.
I have met the landowner, and been asked to leave but not knowing the right questions to ask, I simply left.
Another part of the estate is being fenced off, this seems odd to me and the path crosses on to National Trust land, it is a Bridal path/way. The bridal way is through very old woodland and there is no sign of trees on the path, the path has all the signs of being 100's of years old.
On my parents land, I know if a right-of-way is not used for 4 years, you can apply to have that right removed. I think the landowner is trying to have rights-of-way removed
A lot of bridleways are permissive paths, such that they can be used, but it is at the landowners discretion. If the path isn't shown on an OS map (long red dashes) then it's not a public right of way.I have met the landowner, and been asked to leave but not knowing the right questions to ask, I simply left.
Another part of the estate is being fenced off, this seems odd to me and the path crosses on to National Trust land, it is a Bridal path/way. The bridal way is through very old woodland and there is no sign of trees on the path, the path has all the signs of being 100's of years old.
On my parents land, I know if a right-of-way is not used for 4 years, you can apply to have that right removed. I think the landowner is trying to have rights-of-way removed
timbo48 said:
"Bridleways and bridlepaths are the same thing"
No they're not. It may be that the term "bridle path" is now defunct and replaced by footpath, which more or less indicates its intended use, but not all footpaths are rights of way. We've got loads of the things where I live and most have stiles or narrow gates preventing horses from accessing them, and if horses can't then 'bikes can't either, although it's a lot easier lifting a 'bike over a stile than it is a horse! Hampshire marks its footpaths with a yellow disc and bridleways with a blue one. Not sure whether that's the same everywhere though.
The OS map will show the difference - short dashes (green at 1:25000, red at 1:50000) mean right of way footpath, long dashes (colours as above) mean right of way bridleway. Bridlepath has no marking on the OS - it's either footpath or bridleway.No they're not. It may be that the term "bridle path" is now defunct and replaced by footpath, which more or less indicates its intended use, but not all footpaths are rights of way. We've got loads of the things where I live and most have stiles or narrow gates preventing horses from accessing them, and if horses can't then 'bikes can't either, although it's a lot easier lifting a 'bike over a stile than it is a horse! Hampshire marks its footpaths with a yellow disc and bridleways with a blue one. Not sure whether that's the same everywhere though.
Black, short, light dashes indicate a path/trail with no right of way.
timbo48 said:
"Bridleways and bridlepaths are the same thing"
No they're not. It may be that the term "bridle path" is now defunct and replaced by footpath, which more or less indicates its intended use, but not all footpaths are rights of way. We've got loads of the things where I live and most have stiles or narrow gates preventing horses from accessing them, and if horses can't then 'bikes can't either, although it's a lot easier lifting a 'bike over a stile than it is a horse! Hampshire marks its footpaths with a yellow disc and bridleways with a blue one. Not sure whether that's the same everywhere though.
As has been pointed out frequently. No they're not. It may be that the term "bridle path" is now defunct and replaced by footpath, which more or less indicates its intended use, but not all footpaths are rights of way. We've got loads of the things where I live and most have stiles or narrow gates preventing horses from accessing them, and if horses can't then 'bikes can't either, although it's a lot easier lifting a 'bike over a stile than it is a horse! Hampshire marks its footpaths with a yellow disc and bridleways with a blue one. Not sure whether that's the same everywhere though.
A footpath is NOT a bridlepath. They are depicted as the shorter dashed lines.
A bridlepath AND a bridleway are the SAME THING and are the longer dashed lines.
So there are
A) Footpaths (no bikes)
B) Bridleways/Bridlepaths (bikes,horses)
Sideways Tim said:
A lot of bridleways are permissive paths, such that they can be used, but it is at the landowners discretion. If the path isn't shown on an OS map (long red dashes) then it's not a public right of way.
But the baseline is the Difinitve Map, if it is not shown on the Definitive then the right of way does not exist. If I can prove that it has been a right of way then the local riders have some great rides back...http://www.ramblers.org.uk/rights_of_way/take_acti...
Gooby said:
But the baseline is the Difinitve Map, if it is not shown on the Definitive then the right of way does not exist. If I can prove that it has been a right of way then the local riders have some great rides back...
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/rights_of_way/take_acti...
As long as it's a right of way AND a bridleway. If it's a right of way AND a footpath, then you're still not allowed to use it.http://www.ramblers.org.uk/rights_of_way/take_acti...
All irrelevant. If the path is suitable for riding, just ride the damned thing. The Po-po don't have the manpower or resources to 'police' traffic properly on our major roads network, so how likely is it that you will be apprehended for illegally using a right-of-way?? The question of non right of way tracks is also simple. Trespass is a civil offence. Just like twuntish squatters, the only recourse open to a land-owner is to prosecute you through the courts. In order to be prosecuted, you must first give your name and address, or the land-owner must find it out. Trespassers may well be prosecuted, but it would be interesting to know how many, if any, have been in recent years. Providing that you do not commit any act that could be considered to be criminal damage, and you do not cause the owner of the land over which you pass any material or financial loss, you commit no criminal offence, and cannot, therefore, be arrested.
Power to the People, Wolfie
Power to the People, Wolfie
yellowjack said:
All irrelevant. If the path is suitable for riding, just ride the damned thing. The Po-po don't have the manpower or resources to 'police' traffic properly on our major roads network, so how likely is it that you will be apprehended for illegally using a right-of-way?? The question of non right of way tracks is also simple. Trespass is a civil offence. Just like twuntish squatters, the only recourse open to a land-owner is to prosecute you through the courts. In order to be prosecuted, you must first give your name and address, or the land-owner must find it out. Trespassers may well be prosecuted, but it would be interesting to know how many, if any, have been in recent years. Providing that you do not commit any act that could be considered to be criminal damage, and you do not cause the owner of the land over which you pass any material or financial loss, you commit no criminal offence, and cannot, therefore, be arrested.
Power to the People, Wolfie
sorry but you are part of the problem. the more people who ride on footpaths simply cause grief for the rest of us who ride legally on bridlepaths, rupps and the like. Power to the People, Wolfie
just because you avoid the confrontation with the ramblers doesnt mean that everyone enjoys the same fate. its not about being caught by the landowner for trespass, its about ramblers purposely leaving things in the bridlepaths to damage tyres. dont give them any more justification for continuing with such activities by riding on footpaths... there are more than enough bridlepaths to not need to ride on footpaths.
yellowjack said:
All irrelevant. If the path is suitable for riding, just ride the damned thing. The Po-po don't have the manpower or resources to 'police' traffic properly on our major roads network, so how likely is it that you will be apprehended for illegally using a right-of-way?? The question of non right of way tracks is also simple. Trespass is a civil offence. Just like twuntish squatters, the only recourse open to a land-owner is to prosecute you through the courts. In order to be prosecuted, you must first give your name and address, or the land-owner must find it out. Trespassers may well be prosecuted, but it would be interesting to know how many, if any, have been in recent years. Providing that you do not commit any act that could be considered to be criminal damage, and you do not cause the owner of the land over which you pass any material or financial loss, you commit no criminal offence, and cannot, therefore, be arrested.
Power to the People, Wolfie
I have to say I agree. This kinda falls down when I am riding MOD property, hasnt stopped me yet.Power to the People, Wolfie
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