RE: Honda Civic Type R
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Do I sense a little anti-Type-R-vibe here ? Ok , so it's unconventional, it's noisier than your comfy motorway cruiser and it's headlamps look a little boggle eyed !
Clearly the author's mind was made up before this article was written, as objectivity appears to have been thrown out of the window. Lets get a few things straight here. As an insainly proud owner of a Civic Type-R,(i'm trying to remain objective and unbiased here) this car bears little resmblance to an Astra GTE in terms of power delivery. The acceleration is impressive before you hit 5600 rpm, by the time you hit 6000rpm you're grinning like a chesire cat.
You mentioned iconic status. Well, true motoring icons take time to develop. You can be sure about one thing though, icon or not, a few years down the road the Type-R, WILL be sought after and thanks to it's outstanding build quality and a little TLC from it's owners WILL still be bolted together as solidy as the day you bought it. How many Vauxhall owners can say that?
Noise !!!! Talk about nit-picking !!! After 4 months of ownership i can honestly say it's not a problem. I was concerned when buying the car as i know that Honda removed some of the sound damping in order to improve the power to weight ratio. However, only on the motorway is it a little noiser, and even then you can converse without effort. Noise is on tap though should you require it
! Just hit that power band and you'll be forgiven for thinking you're in a F1 car !
This car was not designed to be an all round package. This car was not designed to appeal to everyone. This car was not designed to be quiet or any other generalisation you want to throw at it. It was simply designed to appeal to young men(mostly men)who prefer hot hatches to 4x4's,saloons etc... and they don't come any hotter for your money right now. It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn close.
Clearly the author's mind was made up before this article was written, as objectivity appears to have been thrown out of the window. Lets get a few things straight here. As an insainly proud owner of a Civic Type-R,(i'm trying to remain objective and unbiased here) this car bears little resmblance to an Astra GTE in terms of power delivery. The acceleration is impressive before you hit 5600 rpm, by the time you hit 6000rpm you're grinning like a chesire cat.
You mentioned iconic status. Well, true motoring icons take time to develop. You can be sure about one thing though, icon or not, a few years down the road the Type-R, WILL be sought after and thanks to it's outstanding build quality and a little TLC from it's owners WILL still be bolted together as solidy as the day you bought it. How many Vauxhall owners can say that?
Noise !!!! Talk about nit-picking !!! After 4 months of ownership i can honestly say it's not a problem. I was concerned when buying the car as i know that Honda removed some of the sound damping in order to improve the power to weight ratio. However, only on the motorway is it a little noiser, and even then you can converse without effort. Noise is on tap though should you require it
! Just hit that power band and you'll be forgiven for thinking you're in a F1 car ! This car was not designed to be an all round package. This car was not designed to appeal to everyone. This car was not designed to be quiet or any other generalisation you want to throw at it. It was simply designed to appeal to young men(mostly men)who prefer hot hatches to 4x4's,saloons etc... and they don't come any hotter for your money right now. It's not perfect, but it's pretty damn close.
Wow, I haven't come up against anyone with anything other than rave views on the Civic before.
I own one of them, and love it. I love the handling, the feel it gives you and I've even grown to appreciate the looks (which took a little longer). As someone new to this forum, I feel it's worth mentioning that I'm not one of your narrow minded single make freaks, I've had various performance cars, most recently a Mitsubishi VR4. I haven't read through all the posts, but I think it's worth remembering the price of the Civic. I don't believe there is a car in it's price range or class that comes close to the feeling the Civic gives.
It gives racing feel and fantastic performance at a decent price.
My 10 penneth.
Mark.
I own one of them, and love it. I love the handling, the feel it gives you and I've even grown to appreciate the looks (which took a little longer). As someone new to this forum, I feel it's worth mentioning that I'm not one of your narrow minded single make freaks, I've had various performance cars, most recently a Mitsubishi VR4. I haven't read through all the posts, but I think it's worth remembering the price of the Civic. I don't believe there is a car in it's price range or class that comes close to the feeling the Civic gives.
It gives racing feel and fantastic performance at a decent price.
My 10 penneth.
Mark.
Does this vehicle have particularly low ground clearance? I folloed one over the famous speed bump trail in Leatherhead the other night and the fossil driving it seemed relectant to do more than 5mph over the bumps.
(they're not severe humps, I have it on good authority that a BMW 3-series will take them at over 50 without undue discomfort)
(they're not severe humps, I have it on good authority that a BMW 3-series will take them at over 50 without undue discomfort)
Firstly I'm still laughing at the CTR Bog - truly funny.
Having just ordered one of these puny gutless Mpv shopping trolleys I'm pleased to see you have mostly all missed the point.
The guy who compares it to a Civic 1.4 - I think you need to have a good long think about those comments, go and drive a Type R and report back with an apology of posting such uninformed bollox.
I don’t think a quick test drive can do the car justice - I didn’t like it completely the first time I had one for the day, over assisted steering, cheap interior and loads of tyre noise. Combined with its fugliness I searched for something else.
I tried a variety of sub 20k cars since and I didn’t find anything as fun.
If you truly are a driving enthusiast you will enjoy the experience the CTR can provide you for 16 grand. There is no alternative for the money.
If you just don’t get it - then the laughs on you.
Simon.
Having just ordered one of these puny gutless Mpv shopping trolleys I'm pleased to see you have mostly all missed the point.
The guy who compares it to a Civic 1.4 - I think you need to have a good long think about those comments, go and drive a Type R and report back with an apology of posting such uninformed bollox.
I don’t think a quick test drive can do the car justice - I didn’t like it completely the first time I had one for the day, over assisted steering, cheap interior and loads of tyre noise. Combined with its fugliness I searched for something else.
I tried a variety of sub 20k cars since and I didn’t find anything as fun.
If you truly are a driving enthusiast you will enjoy the experience the CTR can provide you for 16 grand. There is no alternative for the money.
If you just don’t get it - then the laughs on you.
Simon.
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(they're not severe humps, I have it on good authority that a BMW 3-series will take them at over 50 without undue discomfort)
I used to go sailing over a set of humps in one car of mine a few years ago. Every night for a year or so I took this one route. Eventually the front suspension collapsed. Mechanical sympathy is still required in modern cars!
Autocar's overall winner, the Cooper S, was only suitable for a photo session and not supposed to be used for serious driving and the Clio was a dealers demo car...little devils at Autocar aren't they.
I think the R is a nice car but was I back in that market I'd rather have a Sunbeam Lotus, a couple of Ks worth of Skip Brown mods and a big fat wallet full of the money I'd saved.
I think the R is a nice car but was I back in that market I'd rather have a Sunbeam Lotus, a couple of Ks worth of Skip Brown mods and a big fat wallet full of the money I'd saved.
Hi ppl!
Well.... I went for a test drive and i found this Honda Civic Type-R superb! And i didn't ear the tyres.... Even at 210 Km/h on a highway (yes... i'm Portuguese... we're all crazy..... don't do that ok? :| ). It handles brilliantly, i doesn't 'suck' gasoline like an Turbocharged hatch-back (Audi S3) or like a Golf Vr6.... it's well built, it drives fine, it *does NOT* have a noisy engine unless you want to drive in a sports manner!!
I think it's faboulous in the sense that you can actually have the best from both worlds... It's practical, economical *and* really really sporty. And it's a lot cheaper than an Audi S3, or many of it's competitors (at least here!!). People don't buy V6 or V8's in these sunny shores... they 'drink' far too much...
Well... in a simple expression... I absolutely loved it!! I *will* buy one!
Cheers
Ricardo
PS: i'm not a 'rice burner'... I've always had german 'war tanks'.... Japanese do better (and much much more realiable) cars. That's a real fact.
Well.... I went for a test drive and i found this Honda Civic Type-R superb! And i didn't ear the tyres.... Even at 210 Km/h on a highway (yes... i'm Portuguese... we're all crazy..... don't do that ok? :| ). It handles brilliantly, i doesn't 'suck' gasoline like an Turbocharged hatch-back (Audi S3) or like a Golf Vr6.... it's well built, it drives fine, it *does NOT* have a noisy engine unless you want to drive in a sports manner!!
I think it's faboulous in the sense that you can actually have the best from both worlds... It's practical, economical *and* really really sporty. And it's a lot cheaper than an Audi S3, or many of it's competitors (at least here!!). People don't buy V6 or V8's in these sunny shores... they 'drink' far too much...
Well... in a simple expression... I absolutely loved it!! I *will* buy one!
Cheers
Ricardo
PS: i'm not a 'rice burner'... I've always had german 'war tanks'.... Japanese do better (and much much more realiable) cars. That's a real fact.
so the CTR is a noisy shopping car... show me a hot hatch that isnt noisy and isnt based on a small/medium sized runabout and ill actually believe you arent just knocking it for the sake of it.
you say a noisy shopping car (like any other hot hatch) but you also point out it is quick handels well etc etc so it must be an execllent hot hatch
i mean ffs by definition a hot hatch is exactly what you say. The CTR is a bargain, faster pound for pound than anything in the class, more reliable, better handling, better engineered. just better. Maybe you own a 172, an ibiza cupra r or one of those other awful pretender cars from southern europe
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you say a noisy shopping car (like any other hot hatch) but you also point out it is quick handels well etc etc so it must be an execllent hot hatch
i mean ffs by definition a hot hatch is exactly what you say. The CTR is a bargain, faster pound for pound than anything in the class, more reliable, better handling, better engineered. just better. Maybe you own a 172, an ibiza cupra r or one of those other awful pretender cars from southern europe
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finally had a play in my mates new Civic Type R last night. All that follows has probabl;y been said before but I know how much you guys value the opinion of a 22 year old Fiesta driver! 
Engine is an absolute dream, once over 4k it screams to 8 and does this in all six gears, gearbox is nice and crisp, his car has done 1100 miles so the box has now "loosened" up a bit. The handling was very direct and the it felt good going from left to right at speed, no understeer to note basically!. But 17" wheels are too big and it should have 16"'s IMO. Yeah, it was noisy, especially in the back(!?) and it looks like an egg but i think its a bit of a top motor.
Engine is an absolute dream, once over 4k it screams to 8 and does this in all six gears, gearbox is nice and crisp, his car has done 1100 miles so the box has now "loosened" up a bit. The handling was very direct and the it felt good going from left to right at speed, no understeer to note basically!. But 17" wheels are too big and it should have 16"'s IMO. Yeah, it was noisy, especially in the back(!?) and it looks like an egg but i think its a bit of a top motor. quote:
crap performance in the "REAL WORLD" NOW WHO IS TALKING BOLLOX THEN!!
WHAT A LOAD OF TOSH!!!!!quote:
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Diesels have HUGE torque figures, but it often isn't over a wide enough range => crap real world performance.
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Agreed, that is a complete load of bollox. Take the new Ibiza TDI Sport, with 130bhp and 229lb of torque, KM77.com released test results for it, and its faster than a 206 GTi, which has more power and a higher redline. The only time it doesnt win is 0-60, which is only useful from traffic light GP's anyway.
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I have never seen the need to go screaming up to 8,000 rpm in a road car. There is 'no substitute for cubes' when you want to go faster in a relaxed manner. In my 350i I rarely felt the need to exceed 4,000 rpm, and still made considerable progress. IMHO a screamy engine will result in a frenetic driver,..
disagree with this strongly. I dont think the two things (revs and smooth driving) are related. Ask any bike rider or track day addict. Why dont bike riders just explode when they hit 12,000 rpm then? Torque is handy enough for fat, idle buggers who cant be arsed to get the most out of the gearbox.
I have never seen the need to go screaming up to 8,000 rpm in a road car. There is 'no substitute for cubes' when you want to go faster in a relaxed manner. In my 350i I rarely felt the need to exceed 4,000 rpm, and still made considerable progress. IMHO a screamy engine will result in a frenetic driver,..
disagree with this strongly. I dont think the two things (revs and smooth driving) are related. Ask any bike rider or track day addict. Why dont bike riders just explode when they hit 12,000 rpm then? Torque is handy enough for fat, idle buggers who cant be arsed to get the most out of the gearbox.
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