Wet track tyres
Discussion
Race teams or if buying brand new from race tyre distributors such as Protyre or Mr Tyre Motorsport:
http://www.hankookmotorsport.com/productdetails.as...
or the Dunlop options
http://www.mrtyremotorsport.co.uk/dunlop-touring-s...
http://www.hankookmotorsport.com/productdetails.as...
or the Dunlop options
http://www.mrtyremotorsport.co.uk/dunlop-touring-s...
andyiley said:
I find that choice a little surprising.
The Avon ZZR is one of the worst tyres it has ever been my misfortune to drive on!
I think that page is showing ZZR as the dry option and something else (not specified beyond "WET") as the wet weather option. I would agree that the ZZR is a terrible tyre in the wet, but I found it very good in the dry - possibly the best "road" tyre I've driven int he dry.The Avon ZZR is one of the worst tyres it has ever been my misfortune to drive on!
QBee said:
Fair enough. It's a free country!
Perhaps it's a case of choose your track for a wet day?
I would probably have a go at Bedford in the damp, or maybe Donington, but on wet tyres.
Somewhere with not too much to hit, and not too close to the track.
But, for me, not Cadwell Park.
Or Castle Combe.
Or Oulton Park.
In a TVR.
Now, if anyone wants to lend me a Clio 172 on road tyres.......
Cadwell in (not my) Avon Tiger, on 888R's, in torrential rain with inch deep standing water...Would not recommend. No roof, no doors, no windscreen.Perhaps it's a case of choose your track for a wet day?
I would probably have a go at Bedford in the damp, or maybe Donington, but on wet tyres.
Somewhere with not too much to hit, and not too close to the track.
But, for me, not Cadwell Park.
Or Castle Combe.
Or Oulton Park.
In a TVR.
Now, if anyone wants to lend me a Clio 172 on road tyres.......
In an MX5 it was fine and as you say, the Clios etc. were in their element.
GreigM said:
I think that page is showing ZZR as the dry option and something else (not specified beyond "WET") as the wet weather option. I would agree that the ZZR is a terrible tyre in the wet, but I found it very good in the dry - possibly the best "road" tyre I've driven int he dry.
I know different cars respond differently to different tyres, but, if you think that, then I highly recommend you try Conti sport contact 5s, they will amaze you by the difference.GreigM said:
I think that page is showing ZZR as the dry option and something else (not specified beyond "WET") as the wet weather option. I would agree that the ZZR is a terrible tyre in the wet, but I found it very good in the dry - possibly the best "road" tyre I've driven int he dry.
Yes, sorry if that was confusing. ZZR is the road legal dry tyre.Avon 'wets' are non road legal wet race tyre BGT001 (same as British GT).
http://www.avonmotorsport.com/wet-weather-patterns
ZZR are excellent in the dry, faster and longer lasting than A048R or R888. I agree not the tyre of choice for wet weather!
QBee said:
It's a track day.
Not life and death driving an ambulance on the M25 in a cloudburst.
Not win or lose in a major race series.
My policy, evolved after a 1200 degree spin at 100 mph at Snetterton this Spring on a drying track with a few puddles (I got away with it, but someone else 15 minutes later didn't), is to stay in the warm club house with a nice hot cup of coffee until it is properly dry.
Then when it is fully dry, drive flat out, make up for lost time, and enjoy every minute.
Race tracks dry out faster than normal roads, once the rain stops.
On a track day this summer at Cadwell Park it started out raining lightly. Some brave souls went out on their road tyres, some even braver souls went out on their track tyres. In a 20 minute period, two Lotuses, one an Elise, the other an Evora, lost it coming over the Mountain and pirouetted on the sloping wet grass and into the armco opposite the cafe. I watched both of them.
So please consider treating a dry track day as fun, a wet one as cafe time, and stick to dry running only. Sounds pathetic, but all I can say is that in 30 track days in 3 years I have only completely lost one track day (in December.....) to the weather. Every other day there has been at least 5 hours of dry running, enough to enjoy the 2-3 hours that most of us actually spend on track.
Your car, your call. But I think a Lotus is more likely to spin than a daily driver due to its light weight and rear wheel drive, which are what makes it a fun track car in the dry.
Disagree with some of that.Not life and death driving an ambulance on the M25 in a cloudburst.
Not win or lose in a major race series.
My policy, evolved after a 1200 degree spin at 100 mph at Snetterton this Spring on a drying track with a few puddles (I got away with it, but someone else 15 minutes later didn't), is to stay in the warm club house with a nice hot cup of coffee until it is properly dry.
Then when it is fully dry, drive flat out, make up for lost time, and enjoy every minute.
Race tracks dry out faster than normal roads, once the rain stops.
On a track day this summer at Cadwell Park it started out raining lightly. Some brave souls went out on their road tyres, some even braver souls went out on their track tyres. In a 20 minute period, two Lotuses, one an Elise, the other an Evora, lost it coming over the Mountain and pirouetted on the sloping wet grass and into the armco opposite the cafe. I watched both of them.
So please consider treating a dry track day as fun, a wet one as cafe time, and stick to dry running only. Sounds pathetic, but all I can say is that in 30 track days in 3 years I have only completely lost one track day (in December.....) to the weather. Every other day there has been at least 5 hours of dry running, enough to enjoy the 2-3 hours that most of us actually spend on track.
Your car, your call. But I think a Lotus is more likely to spin than a daily driver due to its light weight and rear wheel drive, which are what makes it a fun track car in the dry.
On wet days i learn more about the car than on any dry day.
So if it rains then you dont go out?...what!!?..do you own a radical?...
Dry days,yes are brilliant,but im not spending hours in a cafe because of a bit of rain!! man up! lol
You will face rain on trackdays in england...fact. it does not have to spoil the day...get some super soft/wets and enjoy.
Its all relative though, cold and a bit damp or slippy with some spray can equal a lot of fun and tell one a lot about your car, its setup and how to drive it in such conditions. Anyone who races will have to do so in such conditions as much as a few times a year some years. However some days we get huge down pours and standing water all over the place, personally having spun off at 90 mph on a relatively straight bit of track in such conditions I would rather not go on track when there is significant standing water. A little standing water then no worries so I guess many others probably make the same sort of judgement.
Don't you just hate negative people with an opinion!!!! Just keep lapping, wet or dry!!!
We use uniroyal rain sport 3s. They are excellent wet weather tyres. They have very soft sidewalls and so steering feel is not the greatest in the dry, but grip and car control are excellent in the wet. They are also very cheap and pretty good in the dry, they also don't shred in the dry. Just used ours on the Nurburgring on a soaked track day after a 6hr vln race, so oil everywhere!! Great tyres!!!
We use uniroyal rain sport 3s. They are excellent wet weather tyres. They have very soft sidewalls and so steering feel is not the greatest in the dry, but grip and car control are excellent in the wet. They are also very cheap and pretty good in the dry, they also don't shred in the dry. Just used ours on the Nurburgring on a soaked track day after a 6hr vln race, so oil everywhere!! Great tyres!!!
Don't you just hate negative people with an opinion!!!! Just keep lapping, wet or dry!!!
We use uniroyal rain sport 3s. They are excellent wet weather tyres. They have very soft sidewalls and so steering feel is not the greatest in the dry, but grip and car control are excellent in the wet. They are also very cheap and pretty good in the dry, they also don't shred in the dry. Just used ours on the Nurburgring on a soaked track day after a 6hr vln race, so oil everywhere!! Great tyres!!!
We use uniroyal rain sport 3s. They are excellent wet weather tyres. They have very soft sidewalls and so steering feel is not the greatest in the dry, but grip and car control are excellent in the wet. They are also very cheap and pretty good in the dry, they also don't shred in the dry. Just used ours on the Nurburgring on a soaked track day after a 6hr vln race, so oil everywhere!! Great tyres!!!
HThe I've just picked up some affordable new Avon wets for my rears and am on the hunt for front sizes. Not in a hurry though. If I was I may have to buy new but at the mo I can wait out on Ebay etc for unwanted new or slightly worn seconds at a discount.
Buying new wets is NOT cheap. That's my issue. Strict budget!
Unless I really needed wets (I do) I would go forcontis uni royals simply from recommendations on here
Buying new wets is NOT cheap. That's my issue. Strict budget!
Unless I really needed wets (I do) I would go for
Edited by Oilchange on Sunday 13th September 08:10
andyiley said:
I know different cars respond differently to different tyres, but, if you think that, then I highly recommend you try Conti sport contact 5s, they will amaze you by the difference.
Just noticed this. I'd be REALLY surprised at that, just looking at a photo of the tread pattern I reckon I could melt them in 5 dry laps. The ZZR are the closest thing to a slick I've ever driven on, you sure you're not confusing the ZZR (the relatively new tyre designed around the Caterham) with the old Avon ZRs etc which were more of a road tyre?GreigM said:
andyiley said:
I know different cars respond differently to different tyres, but, if you think that, then I highly recommend you try Conti sport contact 5s, they will amaze you by the difference.
Just noticed this. I'd be REALLY surprised at that, just looking at a photo of the tread pattern I reckon I could melt them in 5 dry laps. The ZZR are the closest thing to a slick I've ever driven on, you sure you're not confusing the ZZR (the relatively new tyre designed around the Caterham) with the old Avon ZRs etc which were more of a road tyre?As for what you say about the zzr, I didn't know Avon made 2 tyres with the same nomenclature.... That wouldn't be confusing at all, would it?
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