NHS Staff Sickness
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The management/organisation is absolutely horrendous.
From my dealings with them from a business POV, the wasting of money is unbelievable, they spent 5 figure sums PA on maintenance of certain units, i said you could re-new the machines for less than they pay in maintenance in 1 year & subsequently would then have no maintenance (outside of mis-use) for 2 years as all new machines would have warranties etc. (In essence saving 2 years worth of maintenance.)
They see no value in this & would rather continue paying astronomical annual fees on maintenance instead as it's what their guidelines tell them to do.
Everybody is s
t scared to do anything with any common sense as if they don't follow their 'guidelines' & it does wrong they can lose their jobs, so everyone just carries on with wastage.
From my dealings with them from a business POV, the wasting of money is unbelievable, they spent 5 figure sums PA on maintenance of certain units, i said you could re-new the machines for less than they pay in maintenance in 1 year & subsequently would then have no maintenance (outside of mis-use) for 2 years as all new machines would have warranties etc. (In essence saving 2 years worth of maintenance.)
They see no value in this & would rather continue paying astronomical annual fees on maintenance instead as it's what their guidelines tell them to do.
Everybody is s
t scared to do anything with any common sense as if they don't follow their 'guidelines' & it does wrong they can lose their jobs, so everyone just carries on with wastage.Logistix said:
161BMW said:
NHS shouldn’t get any additional funding or staff raises until they sort out this and get a grip of it and just general wasting money in the NHS because they know they get free tax money unlike a profitable enterprise where they have to generate a profit to survive.
You don’t think that saving lives ‘profits’ society then?161BMW said:
Logistix said:
161BMW said:
NHS shouldn’t get any additional funding or staff raises until they sort out this and get a grip of it and just general wasting money in the NHS because they know they get free tax money unlike a profitable enterprise where they have to generate a profit to survive.
You don’t think that saving lives ‘profits’ society then?161BMW said:
Logistix said:
161BMW said:
NHS shouldn’t get any additional funding or staff raises until they sort out this and get a grip of it and just general wasting money in the NHS because they know they get free tax money unlike a profitable enterprise where they have to generate a profit to survive.
You don’t think that saving lives ‘profits’ society then?When I was a Senior Prison Officer I was in charge of treatment programmes for substance abusers. My Governor told me that there was a £100k grant that needed to be spent on remodelling a 40’ by 40’ courtyard on the drug treatment detox wing. This was effectively their outside exercise space. The money was from something daft like the Kings Fund.
I was tasked with locating and having installed seating and some landscaping, maybe a water feature etc. after looking around I discovered that companies were charging about £1500 for plastic pub bench tables. I called one up and was told if I purchased 6 it would be 50% off.
Well the meeting happened with all the stakeholders and senior managers and I was asked to present my proposal and costings. There was no way I could spend £100k and it was coming in at £15k. My proposed savings were shown and I was advised that by asking for a discount I was now at risk of accusations of some sort of “ brown envelope” situation. They also said if we didn’t spend the £100k we wouldn’t get it next year.
After that I told them to keep me out of it and went back to my day job.I think perhaps people should be incentivised to identify savings and rewarded accordingly. It does though show waste can happen when people are spending money that is not seen as their own.
I was tasked with locating and having installed seating and some landscaping, maybe a water feature etc. after looking around I discovered that companies were charging about £1500 for plastic pub bench tables. I called one up and was told if I purchased 6 it would be 50% off.
Well the meeting happened with all the stakeholders and senior managers and I was asked to present my proposal and costings. There was no way I could spend £100k and it was coming in at £15k. My proposed savings were shown and I was advised that by asking for a discount I was now at risk of accusations of some sort of “ brown envelope” situation. They also said if we didn’t spend the £100k we wouldn’t get it next year.
After that I told them to keep me out of it and went back to my day job.I think perhaps people should be incentivised to identify savings and rewarded accordingly. It does though show waste can happen when people are spending money that is not seen as their own.
Logistix said:
You won't be saying that when you need one to operate on you.
More to the point, how do you explain the much lower rate of sickness absence amongst Consultants?
I didn't say they don't earn their money. But they are incredibly arrogant and change averse. More to the point, how do you explain the much lower rate of sickness absence amongst Consultants?
Edited by Logistix on Friday 30th June 12:46
E63eeeeee... said:
161BMW said:
Logistix said:
161BMW said:
NHS shouldn’t get any additional funding or staff raises until they sort out this and get a grip of it and just general wasting money in the NHS because they know they get free tax money unlike a profitable enterprise where they have to generate a profit to survive.
You don’t think that saving lives ‘profits’ society then?You comparing a trickle to an ocean
Logistix said:
161BMW said:
Logistix said:
161BMW said:
NHS shouldn’t get any additional funding or staff raises until they sort out this and get a grip of it and just general wasting money in the NHS because they know they get free tax money unlike a profitable enterprise where they have to generate a profit to survive.
You don’t think that saving lives ‘profits’ society then?Guidelines probably need updating.
vaud said:
Logistix said:
You won't be saying that when you need one to operate on you.
More to the point, how do you explain the much lower rate of sickness absence amongst Consultants?
I didn't say they don't earn their money. But they are incredibly arrogant and change averse. More to the point, how do you explain the much lower rate of sickness absence amongst Consultants?
Edited by Logistix on Friday 30th June 12:46
vaud said:
Logistix said:
You won't be saying that when you need one to operate on you.
More to the point, how do you explain the much lower rate of sickness absence amongst Consultants?
I didn't say they don't earn their money. But they are incredibly arrogant and change averse. More to the point, how do you explain the much lower rate of sickness absence amongst Consultants?
Edited by Logistix on Friday 30th June 12:46
Regarding arrogance however, do you really want a timid surgeon? What comes across as arrogance or bravado can easily be self-confidence, something that is essential if you are asking someone to do the things that doctors do.
If you are not confident you would not survive in my experience.
Most medics are very bad at explaining this aspect of medicine. Either they downplay it or it comes across as self promotion, but it’s a fact of life. You can risk manage all you want but ultimately there will still be stressful high-stakes situations and you need people able to cope with that.
It’s also one reason why medics are so difficult to manage. Ask someone to make life changing decisions daily on the one hand and then tolerate patent BS from ill-prepared managers on the other and you can see why it’s rarely a good relationship, even if they would probably do no better trying to manage the unit themselves, lacking the training or, frankly, the interest.
(Not confined to doctors at all of course, other jobs share many of these same traits, and as a common theme are also very hard to manage well.)
Another misconception: most doctors would argue that they are at the same time well paid and also underpaid if that makes sense.
161BMW said:
E63eeeeee... said:
161BMW said:
Logistix said:
161BMW said:
NHS shouldn’t get any additional funding or staff raises until they sort out this and get a grip of it and just general wasting money in the NHS because they know they get free tax money unlike a profitable enterprise where they have to generate a profit to survive.
You don’t think that saving lives ‘profits’ society then?You comparing a trickle to an ocean
Did you consider that maybe it's actually not the amount of waste (or sick leave) that determines whether something is fit for purpose or not? Even if such a binary choice isn't ludicrously simplistic.
E63eeeeee... said:
161BMW said:
E63eeeeee... said:
161BMW said:
Logistix said:
161BMW said:
NHS shouldn’t get any additional funding or staff raises until they sort out this and get a grip of it and just general wasting money in the NHS because they know they get free tax money unlike a profitable enterprise where they have to generate a profit to survive.
You don’t think that saving lives ‘profits’ society then?You comparing a trickle to an ocean
Did you consider that maybe it's actually not the amount of waste (or sick leave) that determines whether something is fit for purpose or not? Even if such a binary choice isn't ludicrously simplistic.
Essentially NHS is a good thing but needs to utilise the money given far far far more efficiently and stop wasting it and expecting larger handouts.
Edited by 161BMW on Friday 30th June 16:33
ZedLeg said:
161BMW said:
ZedLeg said:
161BMW said:
NHS is wasting millions every day. Yes they do good mostly to those that don’t look after themselves and have ailments that are preventable.
Source?68% of men are obese and overweight
60% of women are obese and overweight
I’ll let your brain do the rest. You know the health implications of being overweight and obese. If not they are easy to find out in google.
161BMW said:
ZedLeg said:
161BMW said:
ZedLeg said:
161BMW said:
NHS is wasting millions every day. Yes they do good mostly to those that don’t look after themselves and have ailments that are preventable.
Source?68% of men are obese and overweight
60% of women are obese and overweight
I’ll let your brain do the rest. You know the health implications of being overweight and obese. If not they are easy to find out in google.
What you've done is add 1 to 1 and got 4.
ZedLeg said:
161BMW said:
ZedLeg said:
161BMW said:
ZedLeg said:
161BMW said:
NHS is wasting millions every day. Yes they do good mostly to those that don’t look after themselves and have ailments that are preventable.
Source?68% of men are obese and overweight
60% of women are obese and overweight
I’ll let your brain do the rest. You know the health implications of being overweight and obese. If not they are easy to find out in google.
What you've done is add 1 to 1 and got 4.
You are probably a very powerfully built director though. Overweight / obese being having high body fat percentage etc.
Ok, you said the nhs mostly helps people with self inflicted conditions with no evidence to back it up then said it was obvious because some people are fat.
The problem is that the medical definition of overweight isn't the same as the social definition of fat. If you're out of the average height and weight range you can be at a healthy weight for your size and come up overweight according to the BMI.
The problem is that the medical definition of overweight isn't the same as the social definition of fat. If you're out of the average height and weight range you can be at a healthy weight for your size and come up overweight according to the BMI.
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