How come there is only very few threads about the new M3??
Discussion
squeezebm said:
CooperS said:
Sounds great at speed but visually there isn’t enough in it differentiate it between the 330i unlike the E46 and seems a tad dull.
But tbh I agree with the above that owners don’t want to loose warrantee and the inevitable further drop on selling it if modded.
If you can't tell the difference between a 330 and an M3,you need a little stronger prescription for those glasses my friend But tbh I agree with the above that owners don’t want to loose warrantee and the inevitable further drop on selling it if modded.
If you remember correctly Mr Pugsey (the bloke with the F430 AM V8 etc) tried to post on here about his DRIVING thoughts on his M3, whilst he still had it,and i enjoyed his reviews but in typical PH style people were only interested in the cars biggest downfall DEPRECIATION,because no other new daft engined car looses cash at the mo
every thread goes the same way which is a shame because they are a brilliant piece of kit,but untill it is accepted in Net Nerd world of motoring me thinks most owners will enjoy it in silence Also yes i stand by what i say about not telling the difference between the models and that the new M3 visually is highly diluted.
If you see a E46 M3 go past you know what's past you, big arches and big wheels signal this. A new M3 or even an M5 due to the various M-tech kits you can have from new on any of the 3/5 series range there is less of a definition between them except a slight bulge in the bonnet and quad pipes and these are all i can think of for what a 330i cant have spec'd on it.
Edited by CooperS on Tuesday 16th September 19:47
Pugsey said:
Manual. The new DCT is undoubtedly MUCH better than the hideous SMG box before it. In 'auto' it's pretty much as good/smooth as a pure auto box and it changes gear very well manually with lots of lovely blips down the box etc. BUT about 20% of the time, when you pull out of a junction/onto a roundabout from a standstill it hesitates - just like an auto - which a car like an M3 just shouldn't do. Sure you can hold the car on the brake with your left foot against a wee bit of throttle every time but then you tend to take of like a scolded cat!
Interesting comment. I have a DCT coupe, and am really pleased I chose DCT. I am happy with the way it steps off the line, and I certainly have not noticed any inconsistency. (I never hold the car on the brake against the throttle, and I have never tried launch control - does anyone know whether the clutch stands up to using launch control?) But, when I drive a manual I normally move away using low revs, and would have said that a faster step off the line was an advantage of automatics! So if you are saying this hesitation is more like an auto, Pugsey, I guess the difference between us must be the way I move off gently in a manual car.I do have a couple of issues with DCT. I posted earlier that under very hard braking the DCT refuses to change down manually - I have still not got to the bottom of whether this is a fault with my car or a characteristic. And I find low speed manoeuvering in a confined space more difficult than with either an auto or a manual. But overall I find the gearbox amazingly effective and just about involving enough to be interesting.
PS ETA I am delighted with the rest of the car too!
Edited by waremark on Tuesday 16th September 20:41
waremark said:
Pugsey said:
Manual. The new DCT is undoubtedly MUCH better than the hideous SMG box before it. In 'auto' it's pretty much as good/smooth as a pure auto box and it changes gear very well manually with lots of lovely blips down the box etc. BUT about 20% of the time, when you pull out of a junction/onto a roundabout from a standstill it hesitates - just like an auto - which a car like an M3 just shouldn't do. Sure you can hold the car on the brake with your left foot against a wee bit of throttle every time but then you tend to take of like a scolded cat!
Interesting comment. I have a DCT coupe, and am really pleased I chose DCT. I am happy with the way it steps off the line, and I certainly have not noticed any inconsistency. (I never hold the car on the brake against the throttle, and I have never tried launch control - does anyone know whether the clutch stands up to using launch control?) But, when I drive a manual I normally move away using low revs, and would have said that a faster step off the line was an advantage of automatics! So if you are saying this hesitation is more like an auto, Pugsey, I guess the difference between us must be the way I move off gently in a manual car.I do have a couple of issues with DCT. I posted earlier that under very hard braking the DCT refuses to change down manually - I have still not got to the bottom of whether this is a fault with my car or a characteristic. And I find low speed manoeuvering in a confined space more difficult than with either an auto or a manual. But overall I find the gearbox amazingly effective and just about involving enough to be interesting.
PS ETA I am delighted with the rest of the car too!
Edited by waremark on Tuesday 16th September 20:41
Rich_Alpina said:
Pugsey said:
...........Not sure there's a £55k car out there that can compete with the M3's all round abilities tbo.
Nissan GTR...Edited by Pugsey on Wednesday 17th September 08:51
CooperS said:
squeezebm said:
CooperS said:
Sounds great at speed but visually there isn’t enough in it differentiate it between the 330i unlike the E46 and seems a tad dull.
But tbh I agree with the above that owners don’t want to loose warrantee and the inevitable further drop on selling it if modded.
If you can't tell the difference between a 330 and an M3,you need a little stronger prescription for those glasses my friend But tbh I agree with the above that owners don’t want to loose warrantee and the inevitable further drop on selling it if modded.
If you remember correctly Mr Pugsey (the bloke with the F430 AM V8 etc) tried to post on here about his DRIVING thoughts on his M3, whilst he still had it,and i enjoyed his reviews but in typical PH style people were only interested in the cars biggest downfall DEPRECIATION,because no other new daft engined car looses cash at the mo
every thread goes the same way which is a shame because they are a brilliant piece of kit,but untill it is accepted in Net Nerd world of motoring me thinks most owners will enjoy it in silence Also yes i stand by what i say about not telling the difference between the models and that the new M3 visually is highly diluted.
If you see a E46 M3 go past you know what's past you, big arches and big wheels signal this. A new M3 or even an M5 due to the various M-tech kits you can have from new on any of the 3/5 series range there is less of a definition between them except a slight bulge in the bonnet and quad pipes and these are all i can think of for what a 330i cant have spec'd on it.
Edited by CooperS on Tuesday 16th September 19:47
The saloon version is VERY subtle though I do agree. Mind you I wouldn't mind if most saw it as you do - I've always liked the 'walk softly and carry a big stick approach'. 
panic said:
Beetwin the M3 and the GTR there is another mayor difference (to me), and is CLASS...the M3 is a magnificient sportcar with huge class, where the GTR (like all japanese cars) is missing of this virtue.
<-------flame suit on...
Well least you didnt say that on the jap forum, i agree but it all depends on what you want from a car. I would want my M3 to shout ARRGGGGHHHH to everyone but i can see why people would want the subtleness that a new M3 saloon brings. <-------flame suit on...The new M3 is a phenomenal machine, if I could live with themanual and the consumption I would probably have one.
I have to say though I do wish the SMG box was still an option.
Back in 2001 there was not much in the way of modding for the E46, modding that car is now probably at its most popular, and I am sure it will be the same for the E92, give it a couple of years for there to be enough cars out there for 3rd parties to justify designing and producing mods and I am sure they will.
I know for a fact I will have a E92 DCT next year, as soon as they are sat under £40k I will get one. If they wern't loosing £15k in year one I would be happy to buy one at £55k+, I just can't afford the hit on it from new.
I have to say though I do wish the SMG box was still an option.
Back in 2001 there was not much in the way of modding for the E46, modding that car is now probably at its most popular, and I am sure it will be the same for the E92, give it a couple of years for there to be enough cars out there for 3rd parties to justify designing and producing mods and I am sure they will.
I know for a fact I will have a E92 DCT next year, as soon as they are sat under £40k I will get one. If they wern't loosing £15k in year one I would be happy to buy one at £55k+, I just can't afford the hit on it from new.
Having owned an E46 M3 for over 4 years and now an E92 M3 for a year, in my opinion, I can say that the E92 is way better than the E46. It is faster, better built, a better drive than the E46 and certainly not dull to drive. It gets plenty of attention and I never tire of using it on a daily basis.
I watched other M3 sites pre-launch and gave up reading and contributing as it turned to almost drivel about how the new car would be, not as nice etc and most hadn't even seen one in the flesh, and ignored the views of people who had actually driven one.
Depreciaiton - all cars depreciate, and while you wait the 12-18mths for new bought ones to depreciate, so does the car you currently drive. I would have lost several K on the E46 if I had waited a year. But it is the buyers' choice and we all differ.
Having owned 2 TVRs, Chimaera & Cerbera, driven wife's chipped 911 and an E46, I can safely say it is the best car I have driven and owned. Brilliant all rounder, but I don't do track days.
I watched other M3 sites pre-launch and gave up reading and contributing as it turned to almost drivel about how the new car would be, not as nice etc and most hadn't even seen one in the flesh, and ignored the views of people who had actually driven one.
Depreciaiton - all cars depreciate, and while you wait the 12-18mths for new bought ones to depreciate, so does the car you currently drive. I would have lost several K on the E46 if I had waited a year. But it is the buyers' choice and we all differ.
Having owned 2 TVRs, Chimaera & Cerbera, driven wife's chipped 911 and an E46, I can safely say it is the best car I have driven and owned. Brilliant all rounder, but I don't do track days.
LiveStrong said:
Dont worry the Lehman brothers will be selling there's in a few weeks, then more people will be driving them - then you might get a bit more input. I think the credit crunch might contribute to people in general holding of purchasing, plus there is better value for money buying an E46 when the 0 - 60 mph is the same as the new one!
What utter tripe, E92 is a different league above altogether, more refined, better ride, more power and alot faster, no real sportscar but a great everyday car, yep it's and yep it depreciates badly but so do all 50k cars and at the end of the day so what, to those that bang on about the costs it's quite simple...don't buy one FFS!Edited by LiveStrong on Tuesday 16th September 18:52
Agree with all the positive comments. Changed from an E46, and prefer everything about the new car except the consumption and fuel tank range. Love the looks inside and out and the sound, has much broader performance than the E46 - more refined when driving merely swiftly, stronger when driving faster, and sharper on track. Cannot understand regretting the SMG, DCT is so much better.
I happen to dislike iDrive, but that is by comparison to other brands rather than older BM's. Look forward to seeing how much better the new version is.
I think the E92 is good value. The price/performance of the Jap cars is sensational - either GTR or Evo 10 FQ360 (I had an Evo 6 which was indeed sensational). At the moment I want a car with class and quality, which in my subjective opinion the BM has and the Japs don't. The C63 is a direct competitor at the same price - I'm looking forward to a weekend in Wales with M3/C63/RS4 next month. Any other car with the same performance class and quality costs vastly more - I give you 997 C2S (would have to be the new one), new AM V8, Maserati, Audi R8, XKR. None have the same practicality.
I happen to dislike iDrive, but that is by comparison to other brands rather than older BM's. Look forward to seeing how much better the new version is.
I think the E92 is good value. The price/performance of the Jap cars is sensational - either GTR or Evo 10 FQ360 (I had an Evo 6 which was indeed sensational). At the moment I want a car with class and quality, which in my subjective opinion the BM has and the Japs don't. The C63 is a direct competitor at the same price - I'm looking forward to a weekend in Wales with M3/C63/RS4 next month. Any other car with the same performance class and quality costs vastly more - I give you 997 C2S (would have to be the new one), new AM V8, Maserati, Audi R8, XKR. None have the same practicality.
dan101smith said:
Pugsey said:
Edited to add: Panic - I'll prob. undertake a few gentle mods this time so we'll keep in touch!
What sort of mods are you thinking about? I wonder how much more it is possible to get from the engine?Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 18th September 09:09
Dan101Smith
The M3 is quick but the Cerbera was lightning, any gear. The M3 was obviously more 'confident' since the Cerbera has no ABS or traction control, but still an amazingly easy car to drive. But awesome and I miss it. However, I have had a tussle with a 911 Turbo in the M3 and it held it's own until well into the xxx range, so it still is a seriously rapid machine!
The M3 is quick but the Cerbera was lightning, any gear. The M3 was obviously more 'confident' since the Cerbera has no ABS or traction control, but still an amazingly easy car to drive. But awesome and I miss it. However, I have had a tussle with a 911 Turbo in the M3 and it held it's own until well into the xxx range, so it still is a seriously rapid machine!
Pugsey said:
dan101smith said:
Pugsey said:
Edited to add: Panic - I'll prob. undertake a few gentle mods this time so we'll keep in touch!
What sort of mods are you thinking about? I wonder how much more it is possible to get from the engine?Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 18th September 09:09
panic said:
Pugsey said:
dan101smith said:
Pugsey said:
Edited to add: Panic - I'll prob. undertake a few gentle mods this time so we'll keep in touch!
What sort of mods are you thinking about? I wonder how much more it is possible to get from the engine?Edited by Pugsey on Thursday 18th September 09:09
We'll keep in touch and compare notes then.cammy71 said:
Depreciaiton - all cars depreciate, and while you wait the 12-18mths for new bought ones to depreciate, so does the car you currently drive.
taffyracer said:
yep it's and yep it depreciates badly but so do all 50k cars and at the end of the day so what, to those that bang on about the costs it's quite simple...don't buy one FFS!
yes and yes! is it just me or is everyone banging on about depreciation at the moment on PH... its doing my head in! what doesn't depreciate? maybe your house, everything you buy looses a packet! i'm quite sure my 2 year old PC aint worth much, and my plasma TV? well thats not gonna fetch the £1500 i paid for it new and i'm fairly certain my toasters not gone up in value sorry rant over
Nano2nd said:
cammy71 said:
Depreciaiton - all cars depreciate, and while you wait the 12-18mths for new bought ones to depreciate, so does the car you currently drive.
taffyracer said:
yep it's and yep it depreciates badly but so do all 50k cars and at the end of the day so what, to those that bang on about the costs it's quite simple...don't buy one FFS!
yes and yes! is it just me or is everyone banging on about depreciation at the moment on PH... its doing my head in! what doesn't depreciate? maybe your house, everything you buy looses a packet! i'm quite sure my 2 year old PC aint worth much, and my plasma TV? well thats not gonna fetch the £1500 i paid for it new and i'm fairly certain my toasters not gone up in value sorry rant over
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