F10 M5 Review after 2 years

[lord trumpton]

HoHoHo said:

lord trumpton said:

HoHoHo said:

Welshbeef said:

lord trumpton said:

Yeah I'm a big fan of the wheels but I appreciate a lot of buyers will want the 20's. I'm getting old...

I’ve the 20” style as 19” on my 535d as it’s not model specific.

The ones you have only he M5 comes with them and they do have some sort of link to the E39

The 20” M5 wheels are only available on the M5

I think he's referring to the style - the 19's he has on his 535d are the same as the M5 20's in style/appearance where the 19's on the M5 don't have any other look-a-like versions as such.

I do like the 20's on the M5 myself. I'm just no a fan of diamond cut rims after having corrosion/white worm on every set I've ever owned and they can only be re-cut once.

They are teh more desirable when selling though. I didn't have any choice in the matter with mine though as I'm the second owner haha

Ah, ok

I know what you mean about Diamond cut rims

My M5 went and now my 18 month old X5 20” 50D wheels have gone.

I see a fight with the dealer approaching shortly!

"Oh they all do that sir.."
"You have kerbed them"
"You have used aggressive wheel cleaner"
"That is classed as acceptable wear and tear"

That's the usual chat from the stealers I've complained to

[Welshbeef]

lord trumpton said:

HoHoHo said:

Welshbeef said:

lord trumpton said:

Yeah I'm a big fan of the wheels but I appreciate a lot of buyers will want the 20's. I'm getting old...

I’ve the 20” style as 19” on my 535d as it’s not model specific.

The ones you have only he M5 comes with them and they do have some sort of link to the E39

The 20” M5 wheels are only available on the M5

I think he's referring to the style - the 19's he has on his 535d are the same as the M5 20's in style/appearance where the 19's on the M5 don't have any other look-a-like versions as such.

I do like the 20's on the M5 myself. I'm just no a fan of diamond cut rims after having corrosion/white worm on every set I've ever owned and they can only be re-cut once.

They are teh more desirable when selling though. I didn't have any choice in the matter with mine though as I'm the second owner haha

This exactly - same style as the M5 20” but in 19” size. They do look lovely no question - I didn’t think from YouTube videos and for sale pics that the M5 standard 19” didn’t look good or right at all, however I’ve now seen a few in the flesh and they have grown on me a lot.

[physprof]

So I’ve the 19” standard summer and winter alloys. I’m tempted by the 20” summers but new they’re daft price. Few on used sale and likely unable to inspect before purchase. There are a few replica companies/distributors... e.g. http://www.bmautosport.co.uk/showroom/product_info...
Given I’d only have them on in summer... new OEM at 3800 sans tyres, chance Ebays at 2-3k if any appear, or non OEM?
Suggestions....

(Edit) the OEM 19” are a real pain to clean......

[Welshbeef]

physprof said:

So I’ve the 19” standard summer and winter alloys. I’m tempted by the 20” summers but new they’re daft price. Few on used sale and likely unable to inspect before purchase. There are a few replica companies/distributors... e.g. http://www.bmautosport.co.uk/showroom/product_info...
Given I’d only have them on in summer... new OEM at 3800 sans tyres, chance Ebays at 2-3k if any appear, or non OEM?
Suggestions....

(Edit) the OEM 19” are a real pain to clean......

What about 19” versions same style as he 20” - will be far more available and frankly could you spot the difference really?

[edo]

Got a lovely set of genuine 19s with sotozero winters available now m5 has gone.....

[Elysium]

Welshbeef said:

physprof said:

So I’ve the 19” standard summer and winter alloys. I’m tempted by the 20” summers but new they’re daft price. Few on used sale and likely unable to inspect before purchase. There are a few replica companies/distributors... e.g. http://www.bmautosport.co.uk/showroom/product_info...
Given I’d only have them on in summer... new OEM at 3800 sans tyres, chance Ebays at 2-3k if any appear, or non OEM?
Suggestions....

(Edit) the OEM 19” are a real pain to clean......

What about 19” versions same style as he 20” - will be far more available and frankly could you spot the difference really?

I have the original 20inch style 343m forged wheels for my summer tyres and 'look a like' aftermarket 19 inch version for the winters. It does look quite different on the smaller rims, but I sort of like the more 'chunky' fatter sidewall with the deeper winter tread.

Looking forward to getting the summers back on though.

As an aside, the larger forged wheels are definitely lighter than the smaller cast ones.

Edited by Elysium on Monday 2nd April 08:28

[cdrx]

For those who have sold up recently; how close did you get to the asking price? How much did you sell for?

[Welshbeef]

cdrx said:

For those who have sold up recently; how close did you get to the asking price? How much did you sell for?

The 130,000 mile F10 M5 now £20.4k has been up for sale for 4 months and counting with its price moving down and up yet no takers.

[Elysium]

Welshbeef said:

cdrx said:

For those who have sold up recently; how close did you get to the asking price? How much did you sell for?

The 130,000 mile F10 M5 now £20.4k has been up for sale for 4 months and counting with its price moving down and up yet no takers.

With that mileage it has a very small market to draw on.

It's not a cheap car to run anyway (servicing, tyres, fuel, £520 VED etc..) and the cost of a major mechanical failure could be very significant. For £10k more you can get an approved used vehicle, with 50k miles and the potential for a 2 year warranty.

Most people who could afford the £20k one could also stretch to the £30k one. So the seller needs to wait for someone who likes a gamble.

[bmwmike]

Last I looked there were 170 odd f10 m5s for sale and a fair few around mid 20's private. They seem to hang about for ages too. That 130k one is way too expensive. Mid teens would be more appropriate I'd have thought.

[Welshbeef]

bmwmike said:

Last I looked there were 170 odd f10 m5s for sale and a fair few around mid 20's private. They seem to hang about for ages too. That 130k one is way too expensive. Mid teens would be more appropriate I'd have thought.

Doesn’t this say / indicate to owners ALWAYS PCP high value vehicles as the used market simply doesn’t exist to private buyers - or if it does they are a tiny number.

[lord trumpton]

Welshbeef said:

bmwmike said:

Last I looked there were 170 odd f10 m5s for sale and a fair few around mid 20's private. They seem to hang about for ages too. That 130k one is way too expensive. Mid teens would be more appropriate I'd have thought.

Doesn’t this say / indicate to owners ALWAYS PCP high value vehicles as the used market simply doesn’t exist to private buyers - or if it does they are a tiny number.

I agree. For most cash buyers privately then these days £10k is a fair threshold.

Many people these days are not cash rich and want to buy on finance.

When my car sells it will likely be bought by the motor trade

[bmwmike]

Lord T I'd love to know what your car does actually sell at if bought by the trade. I'm working in a way to connect one owner car sellers with buyers and bypass the trade altogether, but it's not ready yet. I think the dealer margin between trade in forecourt is obscene and needs eating into esp where we have private supplies into the trade only for the same car to be bought out of the trade privately. Much better to connect the two directly and bypass the dealer. I had not considered that dealers would source cars by buying from private sellers.

[lord trumpton]

bmwmike said:

Lord T I'd love to know what your car does actually sell at if bought by the trade. I'm working in a way to connect one owner car sellers with buyers and bypass the trade altogether, but it's not ready yet. I think the dealer margin between trade in forecourt is obscene and needs eating into esp where we have private supplies into the trade only for the same car to be bought out of the trade privately. Much better to connect the two directly and bypass the dealer. I had not considered that dealers would source cars by buying from private sellers.

Hmmm not sure what it will go for. I'd imagine 25ish

I've had little interest on PH so I'll probably stick it on AT towards the weekend.

I'll let you know when it sells - but it might be a while

[Andy M]

cdrx said:

For those who have sold up recently; how close did you get to the asking price? How much did you sell for?

I’m not fully in a position to answer this, as my car isn’t sold. However...

7 months ago I ordered a new Mercedes E63s, with a written agreement that it would be delivered on March 1st 2018. I never p/x cars and always sell privately.

I listed my M5 a few weeks prior to 1st March at the top price as recommend by https://hpivaluations.com (£36k iirc).

I then dropped the price by £500-750ish with every passing week. Each time I dropped the price I received emails roughly along the lines of:

“Alright mate, you got a lovely motor there. What’s your lowest price?? I got the cash ready!!” Total time wasters.

Worse still are the morons who don’t read the ad (where the full spec is clearly listed) and drip drip drip questions about the spec, trying to find an option which isn’t on your car and then use this as a bargaining chip. “Oh the levitating feature isn’t on your car? I really wanted that option. Can you knock £5k off the price?”

The beast from the east then hit and I had zero interest in my car. No emails, no phone calls. 550bhp + rwd + snow obviously isn’t a good mix.

The price at which my car - 2014 plate, 39,500 miles - received most legitimate interest was £34,000

I had a buyer lined up who came to test the car but I had to pull out when the Mercedes dealer contacted me to state that there could be a 12 week delay on my E63s due to Mercedes ‘quality checks’. The buyer was very understanding and went on to buy another car.

Mercedes then updated me that my car had been built and could be available for delivery in a couple of weeks. I then began drastically reducing the price of the car and had another buyer lined up at £32,500. He then had to pull out when the only finance he could get accepted was at 24%.

I believe my car is one of the best on the market (full warranty, service pack, new tyres and brakes, excellent condition etc) and by this point I was starting to feel that I was letting the car go for too little. When Mercedes contacted me to say that my car was again delayed they helped make the decision for me and I pulled the plug and decided to keep my M5.

I’ve kept the Autotrader listing live but pushed the price back up to £34k. Ironically I again received more enquiries at this higher price.

[Welshbeef]

lord trumpton said:

Hmmm not sure what it will go for. I'd imagine 25ish

I've had little interest on PH so I'll probably stick it on AT towards the weekend.

I'll let you know when it sells - but it might be a while

Have you had the WBAC quote? That’s clearly the floor price - but as you’ve literally only bought it yourself (unless you bought it notably under the previous asking price the fact it’s got 1 extra owner decreases value plus the offloading it so quickly to Joe Public will really make you think hmm does this have an intermittent fault?/it would put some off).

[lord trumpton]

Welshbeef said:

lord trumpton said:

Hmmm not sure what it will go for. I'd imagine 25ish

I've had little interest on PH so I'll probably stick it on AT towards the weekend.

I'll let you know when it sells - but it might be a while

Have you had the WBAC quote? That’s clearly the floor price - but as you’ve literally only bought it yourself (unless you bought it notably under the previous asking price the fact it’s got 1 extra owner decreases value plus the offloading it so quickly to Joe Public will really make you think hmm does this have an intermittent fault?/it would put some off).

No not done wbac. It would be ridiculous.

My problem is having too many cars (this is no 5) and always swapping and changing.

I have a car related buisness and temptation is always strong.

Nothing wrong with the car other than it not having split fold rear seats. It's been under a service pack and I'm about to put a BMW warranty on it (If it doesn't sell and I end up keeping it)

It's still a two owner car (1 prev) so unusual to have so low (many on AT are 5+)

I think at 25k I'd sell

[edo]

got 40k trade in, went up for 45k main dealer and I believe they were offering 1k off.

16 plate with just under 10k on the clock with dynamic seats, 20's, individual paint.

[BlueEyedBoy]

Unrelated to the end comments on this thread, but review related.

Did / has anyone else found reverse on any sort of incline, either up or down hill almost impossible to do smoothly?

Is there any trick as I always seem to spin the wheels on anything other than a bone dry sun baked service!

[hertfordshire1]

cdrx said:

For those who have sold up recently; how close did you get to the asking price? How much did you sell for?

My June 15 LCI car with 26k miles was traded in Feb and I received the £36.5k required to clear the remaining finance on the car.

Car was good spec, dealer knew me, tyres and brakes had been done within the last 4k of ownership.

It immediately went up on their site for just under 40k and was gone within a week.

Cheers

Steve