Interesting Vid - CSL vs RS4

[nickyandsi]

Do you mean an S4 (S3 is in a different class)

[m3evo2]

No

[nickyandsi]

Audi A4 (1995-01)
RS4 5Dr Avant 2.7 Quattro (01)

Performance open close

Fuel Delivery Injection
BHP 380.0
Torque (lbs feet) 324.5
RPM to which the Torque refers 4250
Maximum Speed 155
Acceleration (0-60) 4.9


No of doors 5
Body Style Estate
Transmission Manual
Fuel type Petrol
Front Brakes VENT DISC
Rear Brakes VENT DISC
Tyre type 225/45R17 W
Production Start Date 5 June 2000
Production End Date 30 April 2001

Key Dimensions open close

Length (mm) 4478
Width (mm) 1733
Height (mm) 1396
Unladen weight 1620
Boot Capacity (litres)

[nickyandsi]

M3 was never against an S3

[DoctorD]

nickyandsi said:

’04 M3 CSL
Fuel Delivery Injection BHP 343.0 Torque (lbs feet) 272.9 RPM to which the Torque refers 4900 Maximum Speed 155 Acceleration (0-60) 4.9
Length (mm) 4492 Width (mm) 1780 Height (mm) 1365 Unladen weight 1570 Boot Capacity (litres) 411
£58,357

Unfortunately you've got the numbers completely wrong (apart from the price!). Suggest you take another look.

[m3evo2]

I realise that, my point is the specs are so far apart to compare, OK technicaly there in the same segment but thats it their specs say otherwise.

Edit - fat fingers.

Edited by m3evo2 on Sunday 4th March 18:00

[m3evo2]

DoctorD said:

nickyandsi said:

’04 M3 CSL
Fuel Delivery Injection BHP 343.0 Torque (lbs feet) 272.9 RPM to which the Torque refers 4900 Maximum Speed 155 Acceleration (0-60) 4.9
Length (mm) 4492 Width (mm) 1780 Height (mm) 1365 Unladen weight 1570 Boot Capacity (litres) 411
£58,357

Unfortunately you've got the numbers completely wrong (apart from the price!). Suggest you take another look.

I spotted that but couldnt be arsed Perhaps remove the L for the M3 CS.

Edited by m3evo2 on Sunday 4th March 18:02

[nickyandsi]

Tbh i cannot be arsed with talking to people who cannot see both sides. The video is com plete crap,and represents nothing.BMW's are not crap however as i keep saying in MY opinion Audi takes them everytime.

If the Audi was stripped like the CSL there would be more of a comparison.

Some good vids on You Tube of M3s vs RS4's and even S4's

[m3evo2]

It's good to have a difference of opinion, thats what makes PH interesting. You'll take the Audi, I'll have the BMW, (and I'll see you when you get back ) sorted. It will only be a comparison when the new M3 has a V8 with 400ish bhp.

Edited by m3evo2 on Sunday 4th March 18:13

[m12_nathan]

The numbers above are for the wrong RS4 as well.

So we've gone from a CSL v a B7 RS4 to an M3 verses a B5? RS4 and had the fact that someone bought an S4 over an M3 as conclusive proof that the CSL is shite or something.

Probably best to leave it there...

[m3evo2]

m12_nathan said:

The numbers above are for the wrong RS4 as well.

So we've gone from a CSL v a B7 RS4 to an M3 verses a B5? RS4 and had the fact that someone bought an S4 over an M3 as conclusive proof that the CSL is shite or something.

Probably best to leave it there...

[nickyandsi]

Dear All,

Unfortunately my interaction with you at this moment must end - I have real world issues to deal with such as work which involves me driving my 4WD Audi out in the 'awful' British weather challenging the laws of physics, something BMW drivers may only wish to do after checking their insurance and putting on clean underpants and hitting that nasty slippery tarmac

[m3evo2]

[nickyandsi]

http://forum.evotechnik.net/showthrea Interesting bit of BMW driving

[DoctorD]

I guess if that makes you feel more comfortable with your choice of car, but having a 4WD chassis only confers an advantage in terms of traction (usually at low speeds) - Note: I also own a 4wd car, but one that is considerably more powerful than an RS4.

Once up at speed the only advantage your 4WD provides you with is 'perceived' confidence - which perhaps is something you're telling us that you need?. True advantages in wet weather come down to mechanical grip which has more to do with tyres than how many wheels are being driven. I love driving my BMWs in wet conditions since I can really enjoy the kind of tail-out antics that a balanced chassis can provide. How are you finding that in your Audi?

[m3evo2]

DoctorD said:

I guess if that makes you feel more comfortable with your choice of car, but having a 4WD chassis only confers an advantage in terms of traction (usually at low speeds) - Note: I also own a 4wd car, but one that is considerably more powerful than an RS4.

Once up at speed the only advantage your 4WD provides you with is 'perceived' confidence - which perhaps is something you're telling us that you need?. True advantages in wet weather come down to mechanical grip which has more to do with tyres than how many wheels are being driven. I love driving my BMWs in wet conditions since I can really enjoy the kind of tail-out antics that a balanced chassis can provide. How are you finding that in your Audi?

Dull/Boring

I was going to say something similar about talent, false confidence but you beat me to it and put it so well.

Edited by m3evo2 on Sunday 4th March 18:31

[bromers2]

nickyandsi said:

http://forum.evotechnik.net/showthrea Interesting bit of BMW driving

Interesting Audi driving - www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=363135&f=23&h=0

Stuff your 4WD in the rain and snow - RWD is tonnes more fun, don't care if you're 0.01sec quicker I'll have a bigger smile on my face

[m3evo2]

bromers2 said:

nickyandsi said:

http://forum.evotechnik.net/showthrea Interesting bit of BMW driving

Interesting Audi driving - www.pistonheads.co.uk/gassing/topic.asp?t=363135&f=23&h=0

Stuff your 4WD in the rain and snow - RWD is tonnes more fun, don't care if you're 0.01sec quicker I'll have a bigger smile on my face

And not something to laugh about.

[The Dude]

nickyandsi said:

Dear All,

Unfortunately my interaction with you at this moment must end - I have real world issues to deal with such as work which involves me driving my 4WD Audi out in the 'awful' British weather challenging the laws of physics, something BMW drivers may only wish to do after checking their insurance and putting on clean underpants and hitting that nasty slippery tarmac

Best. Post. Ever.

I think the only thing you're challenging is your own intelligence and everyone's patience on here.

And that's as much as you're getting from me, troll boy.

[Beemer-5]

nickyandsi said:

Dear All,

Unfortunately my interaction with you at this moment must end - I have real world issues to deal with such as work which involves me driving my 4WD Audi out in the 'awful' British weather challenging the laws of physics, something BMW drivers may only wish to do after checking their insurance and putting on clean underpants and hitting that nasty slippery tarmac

The RS4 is a great car, but a luxobarge compared to the CSL.
I expected it to beat a CSL in a straight line but it seems they are closely matched.
Horses for courses.
RS4 wins on some counts, CSL on others.