Incoming… what do you have? (Vol. 3)

[TheJimi]

I disagree, I forsee the in-house BB being more desirable, which will in turn drive down the used prices for the old BB.

And yes, I know you can pick up a used BB for c35% less that RRP, that's exactly the point I was making above re the residuals not being great.

[Blown2CV]

i'd not see the in-house movement as a purely financial proposition for the owner. It's more about having a watch that isn't just a copy of something else, and from a brand which is rightly creating its own identity.

[TheJimi]

Blown2CV said:

i'd not see the in-house movement as a purely financial proposition for the owner. It's more about having a watch that isn't just a copy of something else, and from a brand which is rightly creating its own identity.

Also correct. Although, to be fair, I wouldn't describe the BB as a copy of anything, but yes, using the ETA movement is a bit irksome in an otherwise great package.

But yes, that's exactly what I was getting at - in-house movement plus the power reserve is hugely appealing.

[taaffy]

Blown2CV said:

It's more about having a watch that isn't just a copy of something else, and from a brand which is rightly creating its own identity.

The Black bay is not a copy, it is a reinterpretation of a vintage Tudor sub, and a very good modern interpretation at that.
Both the Rolex and Tudor Subs were designed alongside each other in 1953 and then they were released to the public within months of each other.
There is also nothing wrong with an ETA top grade, it is a very reliable movement which is easily serviceable.

http://www.fratellowatches.com/tudor-submariner-a-...

Edited by taaffy on Wednesday 9th December 15:31

[Blown2CV]

you might say "it's not a copy" but it's not hard to find a ton of side-by-side images on google e.g.



you cannot deny that they're intended to be virtually identical.

[taaffy]

Read the link in my post above your last post... They were both designed by Rolex, one was not a copy of the other. They were born at the same time but the Rolex model had to be shown light of day first.
If you are familiar with the history of both brands then you should know this , however if not then the link is an interesting read..




This is what it is a rebrand of..

Edited by taaffy on Wednesday 9th December 15:41

[Blown2CV]

if you remove the word "copy" (as i did) there can be no denying that however they arrived at how they are today, they look virtually identical. MOST people buying one of these will not be thinking what an amazing re-interpretation of an older watch it is, or how it has a distinct heritage from Rolex - they'll only be excited that other people will think they've got a rolex but they've only paid a fraction of the price (which they won't tend to admit).

[Slagathore]

Blown2CV said:

if you remove the word "copy" (as i did) there can be no denying that however they arrived at how they are today, they look virtually identical. MOST people buying one of these will not be thinking what an amazing re-interpretation of an older watch it is, or how it has a distinct heritage from Rolex - they'll only be excited that other people will think they've got a rolex but they've only paid a fraction of the price (which they won't tend to admit).

Then they would just go and buy a Steinhart and pay a fraction of the cost of a Tudor.

[TheJimi]

Blown2CV said:

if you remove the word "copy" (as i did) there can be no denying that however they arrived at how they are today, they look virtually identical. MOST people buying one of these will not be thinking what an amazing re-interpretation of an older watch it is, or how it has a distinct heritage from Rolex - they'll only be excited that other people will think they've got a rolex but they've only paid a fraction of the price (which they won't tend to admit).

(sigh)

You started off by saying that the BB is a copy and it's been demonstrated to you that this isn't the case, so instead you're taking the tack that buyers of Tudor pieces are buying 'em coz people will think they're wearing a Rolex.

I give up.

Yeah, you're right, we're wrong

[Blown2CV]

TheJimi said:

Blown2CV said:

if you remove the word "copy" (as i did) there can be no denying that however they arrived at how they are today, they look virtually identical. MOST people buying one of these will not be thinking what an amazing re-interpretation of an older watch it is, or how it has a distinct heritage from Rolex - they'll only be excited that other people will think they've got a rolex but they've only paid a fraction of the price (which they won't tend to admit).

(sigh)

You started off by saying that the BB is a copy and it's been demonstrated to you that this isn't the case, so instead you're taking the tack that buyers of Tudor pieces are buying 'em coz people will think they're wearing a Rolex.

I give up.

Yeah, you're right, we're wrong

i am prepared to admit you may be in the 1% of people buying these on merit rather than the 99% doing otherwise... it's not meant to be a slight on you.

[BrabusMog]

Blown2CV said:

TheJimi said:

Blown2CV said:

if you remove the word "copy" (as i did) there can be no denying that however they arrived at how they are today, they look virtually identical. MOST people buying one of these will not be thinking what an amazing re-interpretation of an older watch it is, or how it has a distinct heritage from Rolex - they'll only be excited that other people will think they've got a rolex but they've only paid a fraction of the price (which they won't tend to admit).

(sigh)

You started off by saying that the BB is a copy and it's been demonstrated to you that this isn't the case, so instead you're taking the tack that buyers of Tudor pieces are buying 'em coz people will think they're wearing a Rolex.

I give up.

Yeah, you're right, we're wrong

i am prepared to admit you may be in the 1% of people buying these on merit rather than the 99% doing otherwise... it's not meant to be a slight on you.

You'd be surprised at what motivates people to buy a watch. My dad, who wears decent watches but isn't a "watch person" if you know what I mean, was all set for getting a Breitling (can't remember which model) until he found out Breitling didn't make the movement for that particular watch, it was a modified ETA. I couldn't believe it! But he shot me down when I started to talk about which in-house movement watches he could consider, telling me he'd just wait until the next time he saw a watch he liked and make a new decision

[Dav_s]

Managed to track down the spec I was after. Very pleased with it...

[Gogoplata]

Blown2CV said:

i am prepared to admit you may be in the 1% of people buying these on merit rather than the 99% doing otherwise... it's not meant to be a slight on you.

Stick me in that 1%. I've got a Pelagos 25600TN & a red Blackbay which I bought because I love both watches (foremost) & the interesting history of the brand. TBH I like the fact that they're a relatively unknown brand so don't get the attention of a Rolex, yet makes for a good conversation if spotted by a watch enthusiast... although I still get the occasional "oh, so you couldn't afford a Rolex?" comment

End of the day, I really enjoy wearing both watches

[lostkiwi]

Gogoplata said:

Stick me in that 1%. I've got a Pelagos 25600TN & a red Blackbay which I bought because I love both watches (foremost) & the interesting history of the brand. TBH I like the fact that they're a relatively unknown brand so don't get the attention of a Rolex, yet makes for a good conversation if spotted by a watch enthusiast... although I still get the occasional "oh, so you couldn't afford a Rolex?" comment

End of the day, I really enjoy wearing both watches

I have to admit to probably being in the same 1% as I fancy a Black Bay and a Pelagos. For what it costs the Pelagos is a steal.

[Blown2CV]

i can see this is a losing battle. In my defence, no-one who has actually just bought one as a pretend rolex is going to admit that, are they...

[burty39]

another here in the 1%.......are you sure its 1% or are we all just in denial?

As this is a watch forum, just maybe some of the people on here and buying Tudor appreciate the brand and the range for what it is?

[taaffy]

Blown2CV said:

i can see this is a losing battle. In my defence, no-one who has actually just bought one as a pretend rolex is going to admit that, are they...

I'll concede that some people may buy them or a homage type diver because it may be similar to a Rolex and give the impression of Rolex ownership.

In my case however I love dive watches and I especially love the modern retro Tudor look which is why I chose them rather than a sea dweller which I could easily have afforded.. so I am definitely in the 1%.

A Sea dweller is still on the list though as is a 50 fathoms.

[Blown2CV]

well if they didn't make watches that looked so similar to more expensive ones then it wouldn't be a question.

however i hope we can all agree they are nowhere near as bad as Parnis watches...

[mikeveal]

I have a Parnis, I like it. It's an excellent watch for the money.

But I suspect you're referring to their divers that happen to look a bit like a sub. They're homages, not fakes as they don't purport to be something they're not. Generally that is considered OK in watch buying circles.

There are only so many ways you can reconfigure a watch dial and hands. Divers look like other divers. You have the choice of living with that, or getting all upset and grumpy with it. If you chose the latter, it doesn't matter how uppity you get you won't change the watch market one jot.

[nigelpugh7]

The wife has just bought me this as my Christmas present ( even though she does not know it yet!)

I got it from ashford on their flash sale recently for £600, which I thought was a total bargain.

I am a big fan of Oris aviator watches, this will make 5 Oris models in my collection now!



http://www.oris.ch/en/watches/oris-bc4-der-meister...