Incoming… what do you have? (Vol. 3)

Incoming… what do you have? (Vol. 3)

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andyc11

326 posts

138 months

Saturday 12th December 2015
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Picked this up a few weeks ago now with 20% off through a discount I got through work. Was considering a pre-owned Seamaster, but very happy with this. The 01/03's are just a bit too big for my liking. Playing about with a few different straps at the moment, but seem to keep going back to the one pictured.

Lauryn

68 posts

198 months

Sunday 13th December 2015
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I got this for my Christmas last year, I couldn't have picked something I loved more myself.



My only grief is that it likes to run a few minutes slow all the time!

mackie1

8,165 posts

239 months

Sunday 13th December 2015
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As in it loses a few minutes per day? Since it's certified I'd have thought they'd fix that for you.

Lauryn

68 posts

198 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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mackie1 said:
As in it loses a few minutes per day? Since it's certified I'd have thought they'd fix that for you.
It seems to run up to five minutes slow max and then doesn't go any slower. I've had it serviced and everything is fine so I've no idea why it keeps doing it, it's really frustrating. It's not even a few minutes per day, it just seems to want to be five minutes behind the actual time - all the time.

sealtt

3,091 posts

164 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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And when you reset it, how long until it's 5 mins slow again?

Lauryn

68 posts

198 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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sealtt said:
And when you reset it, how long until it's 5 mins slow again?
I would say less than a week and it's running a couple of minutes behind the real time.

cirian75

4,344 posts

239 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Pebble time in black, great so far, wish I'd bought the red one now though :/


PJ S

10,842 posts

233 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Lauryn said:
I would say less than a week and it's running a couple of minutes behind the real time.
Then it’s running out of spec, which is -4/+6 per day, and covered by the 2 year service guarantee, if done by Rolex or an accredited independent. Even a good non-approved independent would stand over it for 12 months, at least.
In other words, you shouldn’t be more than 42 seconds fast or 28 seconds slow after a week.
Doesn’t sound like it was serviced correctly, since a watch has no idea of how fast or slow it’s running, so it can’t decide not to keep getting slower once it’s 5 minutes slow – so some’s not right with it.

Snubs

1,224 posts

145 months

Monday 14th December 2015
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Quite so. Lauryn - if i were you i'd start getting geeky about the accuracy you're seeing. My suggestion would be to set the watch accurately* at say, 9am in the morning, then check again 24 hours later and see how many seconds behind you are. Do this for a few days and you'll build up a picture as to exactly how much time your losing and whether it's the same amount each day, or a more erratic pattern. Do it for long enough and you'll be able to confirm whether it stops losing time at -5mins, as that does sound odd.

When i got my Zenith it was really quite disappointing to find it losing about 30 seconds a day iirc. Took it back to the shop I bought it from, who sent it off to Zenith. Since then it's gained about 3 seconds a day, which is fine by me. In addition they sent it back in a padded travel case that has been incredibly handy ever since.


  • I use atomic clock websites as, for geekish reasons, this pleases me type. Also, it's much easier if your watch has has a stop-sections (hacking) function.

FreeLitres

6,097 posts

183 months

Tuesday 15th December 2015
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I came here to post that I have just ordered a cheapy Sub homage from Creation. Reading the recent coments, it sounds like it might not be the right time to admit it though...

whistle

mikeveal

4,691 posts

256 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Nothing wrong with a sub-a-like. Not until the manufacturer pretends that it is something it's not.

Blown2CV

29,485 posts

209 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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mikeveal said:
Nothing wrong with a sub-a-like. Not until the manufacturer pretends that it is something it's not.
Yea that's for the wearer to do

tigerkoi

2,927 posts

204 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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smile

I think some equate Rolex ownership as akin to operating at a some higher psychological plane or being part of a reverential society like The Pitt Club or being on the mailing list of Bilderberg attendees. Rollies are nice, but it's a shame when people think they are the one and only; the "only Watch Worth Bearing!"

Of the 200k watches for sale each day on Chrono24, something like 15-18% of all stock is Rolex! They ain't exactly rare items. In fact, someone walking around with a Steinhart or a Christopher whatever is rocking a far rarer specimen than those who are proudly flashing their Subs or Seas as if they've made the big time.

Sure, there is a formidable homage industry out there around what is, fundamentally, a design classic. But the other side of the coin is that a diver watch has to follow some fairly parochial standards which mean a lot of them do end up as much of a muchness and quite similar if you cared to ask an opinion of an alien form from a far and distant Spiral galaxy.

For what it's worth, and I think another poster touched on it, Tudor aren't plagiarising anyone but their own catalogue when putting the Black Bay and Pelagos into the market. Nope.

In particular, the 79220N is just a modern version of the 7922

This...



...is simply an update of this...



The 7922 was released in 1956, alongside the Rolex 6538. Indeed some speculate that the Tudor actually came out a bit earlier, but timelines are murky. Either way, that only indicates that Rolex/Tudor - is revisiting something that goes back more than half a century, not feeding a homage industry.

There are a few good reasons for it too. Primarily, vintage is in. Vintage sells, and there is significant marketshare to capture for those who cater to it. But Rolex in the main is a staid outfit. They know there are gazillions of blinkered Joes out there who all they want "...is a Rolex, mate". So they rarely update their catalogue and maintain design conceits for ages. For good and bad, it locks them in on their moneymaker: generally people love the Sub and its offshoot the Dweller (less so the roided-out DeepSea). But horophiles - a subset of buyers - really go crazy for are the vintage pieces. A big dome 5513, or a 6538 really gets people wet.

So, what do you do if you are Rolex? You don't update your watch designs too much, and are conservative by nature. You also see a growth market. You also know there is a huge resale and preowned market that you can't control, and it's a fine line between bdising new sales and feeding the legends to keep people onto the brand. You aren't Omega with Quartz ladies at one end, and coelacanth-rare Tourbillons on the other.

So, you leverage the Tudor brand to play back into the market you can't pivot the mother brand onto.

It suits Rolex to have people lusting after a 6538. But it will be a seismic moment for them to realise anything other than a warmed up 116610 on the next round. But get a Black Bay out there that brings back the past? Well, they keep collectors happy, they generate great press and according to industry sentiment, are making a killing.

To lay the cards out, I'll happily get a 5512 with the zinc sulfide when one comes up. The right one. I'll also happily add a 79220N to the box when I've worked through some other hunts, so I just like them for what they are. But being clear, the Tudor is certainly no homage, or a vehicle for those who want to sell the wrong message. Nope. It's a revitalised number from a company that's got a great back catalogue.

Simple.






mikeveal

4,691 posts

256 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Blown2CV said:
mikeveal said:
Nothing wrong with a sub-a-like. Not until the manufacturer pretends that it is something it's not.
Yea that's for the wearer to do
As before; accept it or get uppity about it, your choice. You won't change it.

taaffy

1,120 posts

245 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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He probably has a Sub, Sea dweller or Deep sea and is insecure about others thinking that it may be a fake.

FreeLitres

6,097 posts

183 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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One thing's for sure, as soon as my cheapy homage arrives I'll be flashing it at my colleages shouting "check out my new Rols".

taaffy

1,120 posts

245 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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FreeLitres said:
One thing's for sure, as soon as my cheapy homage arrives I'll be flashing it at my colleages shouting "check out my new Rols".
Like any insecure dive watch owner should .. rofl

GWC

4,430 posts

201 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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I have one of these arriving in the next few days.


Blown2CV

29,485 posts

209 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Off to Thailand for Xmas so if any of you lot want any knock off "desinger" clothes do let me know. You can tell yourselves you bought it for the quality!!

Blown2CV

29,485 posts

209 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Off to Thailand for Xmas so if any of you lot want any knock off "desinger" clothes do let me know. You can tell yourselves you bought it for the quality!!