Hawker Typhoon/Tempest
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What happened to them after the end of WWII? Have realised I'm becoming a bit of a fan of the aircraft and starting to delve. Design wise I think they look the mutts, and correct me if wrong, but based on the Hurricane to counter the FW190 and were ground attack role.
Have any survived? are they in original and airworthy condition?
Have any survived? are they in original and airworthy condition?
I believe there is a Typhoon at the RAF Museum, but it isn't airworthy. I don't know of any others.
The Typhoon was withdrawn at the end of the war, so I expect many of them got scrapped then. The Typhoon stayed in service for a few years afterwards, and there are a several surviving examples around, but I don't think any are airworthy.
The Typhoon was withdrawn at the end of the war, so I expect many of them got scrapped then. The Typhoon stayed in service for a few years afterwards, and there are a several surviving examples around, but I don't think any are airworthy.
I could have sworn that it was Typhoon that shot down the Mig-15 in Korea, but my memory fails me. It was a relative, the Sea Fury.
The Sea Fury performed air strikes with any ordnance it could carry, including sea mines. Weapons delivery was extremely accurate for the days of unguided weapons, and one Sea Fury even shot down a MiG-15. On 9 August 1952, a flight of four FB.11s from the HMS OCEAN was on a "train busting" mission when they were jumped by eight MiG-15s. The MiG pilots foolishly decided to get into a "turning contest" with the agile Sea Furies, and a Sea Fury piloted by Lieutenant Peter "Hoagy" Carmichael managed to get on the tail of a MiG and smash it up with his four 20 millimeter cannon. Two other MiGs were damaged while the Sea Furies returned safely.
The Sea Fury performed air strikes with any ordnance it could carry, including sea mines. Weapons delivery was extremely accurate for the days of unguided weapons, and one Sea Fury even shot down a MiG-15. On 9 August 1952, a flight of four FB.11s from the HMS OCEAN was on a "train busting" mission when they were jumped by eight MiG-15s. The MiG pilots foolishly decided to get into a "turning contest" with the agile Sea Furies, and a Sea Fury piloted by Lieutenant Peter "Hoagy" Carmichael managed to get on the tail of a MiG and smash it up with his four 20 millimeter cannon. Two other MiGs were damaged while the Sea Furies returned safely.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
rhinochopig said:
I could have sworn that it was Typhoon that shot down the Mig-15 in Korea, but my memory fails me. It was a relative, the Sea Fury.
Developed from the Tempest II.Interesting history of the family here
http://www.vectorsite.net/avcfury.html
Final evolution of the piston engined fighters the Triumph, Tempest & Sea Fury...awesome & large machines. Not missing of course the Spiteful & Martin Baker (5 was it).
I read an article into the Sidney Camm designs after & including the Hurricane. For a man who had no formal qualifications he designed some amazing aircraft!
I read an article into the Sidney Camm designs after & including the Hurricane. For a man who had no formal qualifications he designed some amazing aircraft!
US warbird collector Kermit Weeks is having a Tempest V slowly rebuilt here in the UK to airworthy standards, and he has at least two complete Napier-Sabre engines as well, but even getting one of these ultra-rare mighty engines even back into running condition let alone airworthy condition, might be a beyond even someone of Kermits wealth.
The Typhoon was not originally designed as a ground attack aircarft. However, it turned out to be not that great in its intended fighter role - mainly because it featured a fairly thick wing and the Sabre engine lost power over 10,000 feet.
It's stablemate, the Tornado, fared even worse as it was fitted with the extremely unreliable Rolls Royce Vulture. The Tornado was cancelled but the Typhoon was perservered with and it found its salvation in the ground attack role.
The thick wing was replaced by a Spitfire style semi-eliptical wing in the Tempest. The Tempest V had a version of the Sabre engine (as in the Typhoon) but the Tempest II was fitted with the Bristol Centaurus.
After WW2, all Typhoons were retired and the Tempest Vs didn't linger on for much longer. Tempest IIs continued on, often in the Middle East, until replaced by the new jets, such as the Meteor or Vampire.
It's stablemate, the Tornado, fared even worse as it was fitted with the extremely unreliable Rolls Royce Vulture. The Tornado was cancelled but the Typhoon was perservered with and it found its salvation in the ground attack role.
The thick wing was replaced by a Spitfire style semi-eliptical wing in the Tempest. The Tempest V had a version of the Sabre engine (as in the Typhoon) but the Tempest II was fitted with the Bristol Centaurus.
After WW2, all Typhoons were retired and the Tempest Vs didn't linger on for much longer. Tempest IIs continued on, often in the Middle East, until replaced by the new jets, such as the Meteor or Vampire.
Eric Mc said:
The Typhoon was not originally designed as a ground attack aircarft. However, it turned out to be not that great in its intended fighter role - mainly because it featured a fairly thick wing and the Sabre engine lost power over 10,000 feet.
Not unlike the P-47 'Jug' perhaps!I'm not surprised a Sea Fury shot down a Mig-15; speed is one advantage but there are others, and if you can dodge for long enough, you may not win but you can get a draw.
Simpo Two said:
Eric Mc said:
The Typhoon was not originally designed as a ground attack aircarft. However, it turned out to be not that great in its intended fighter role - mainly because it featured a fairly thick wing and the Sabre engine lost power over 10,000 feet.
Not unlike the P-47 'Jug' perhaps!I'm not surprised a Sea Fury shot down a Mig-15; speed is one advantage but there are others, and if you can dodge for long enough, you may not win but you can get a draw.
RAF Museum has the only example, and that only survived because it was given to the Americans for evaluation. It was later given back in 1968 as the sole survivor.See here to download the full history. http://www.rafmuseum.org.uk/london/collections/air...
There is a cockpit section at Duxford and I think part of a rear fusalage in France ? Really quite sad that such an amazing aircraft is so rare. Really needs someone with a ton of cash to commison a correct replica. I know it wouldn't quite be the same without a Sabre engine, but it would be nice to see in the air even with a Merlin or similar.
There is a cockpit section at Duxford and I think part of a rear fusalage in France ? Really quite sad that such an amazing aircraft is so rare. Really needs someone with a ton of cash to commison a correct replica. I know it wouldn't quite be the same without a Sabre engine, but it would be nice to see in the air even with a Merlin or similar.
Eric Mc said:
P-47s could acquit themselves very well in air combat, provided the P-47 pilot made the most of his aircraft's attributes and avoided getting into a tight turning dogfight.
A bit like P38s vs Zeros, or even F4s vs MiG 17s and 19s in Vietnam.Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Thursday 19th August 19:30
I had no idea there was just one left. Out of more then 3,000 built.
in Bob stanford Tucks autobiography he wrote about testing a Tiffy, and said they had all sorts of problems with it. He was due to go out in one- the engine had just been started, and if it wasnt flown soon it would overheat, when the phone rang. The orderly was insistant he took the call, so he asked one of the other pilots to take it up
He took the call, then went out and looked up to see the Tiffy fall from the sky. There wasnt much left, but a sample of flesh was analyzed and fpound to have a lot of carbon monoxide in it- enough to kill an elephant, aparently. But for the grace of a phone call...
in Bob stanford Tucks autobiography he wrote about testing a Tiffy, and said they had all sorts of problems with it. He was due to go out in one- the engine had just been started, and if it wasnt flown soon it would overheat, when the phone rang. The orderly was insistant he took the call, so he asked one of the other pilots to take it up
He took the call, then went out and looked up to see the Tiffy fall from the sky. There wasnt much left, but a sample of flesh was analyzed and fpound to have a lot of carbon monoxide in it- enough to kill an elephant, aparently. But for the grace of a phone call...
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