Neglected super yachts
Discussion
NormalWisdom said:
There's one out of the water in Valetta that belonged to Gadaffi.
A mate was Cheif Engineer on Gadaffi's. He hated it but it paid well. It sat on a shyte dock in Libya for months on end, then did a quick flip around the Med in summer.When they got to Palma, my mate did a midnight flitt to get off it. Momo's Secret Service henchmen went on the hunt for him all over the island, as the boat could not move without him aboard and had to wait for a replacement.
Little did they know he was sitting in our engine room with 2 pizzas and a crate of ale.
Edited by Fishtigua on Thursday 10th September 04:24
Does 197 feet count as a super-yacht?
This one has been forgotten at Port of Spain, Trinidad, West Indies for 8 years. Previously owned by the Vanderbilt family, she was part of a sailing cruise line that went bankrupt in 2007 and the ship has been there ever since.
I made enquiries (not serious, just curious) about buying her. Very, very cheap. Mind you, getting her into decent condition would cost much, much more.
She was part of the Windjammer Barefoot Cruiseline that sailed in many old yachts.
They sadly lost the Fantome in a dreadful storm. I'd met the skipper before he left on that voyage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantome_%28schooner%...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windjammer_Barefoot_...
They sadly lost the Fantome in a dreadful storm. I'd met the skipper before he left on that voyage.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fantome_%28schooner%...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windjammer_Barefoot_...
Not super yachts but I've been walking around Alicante and toria another place down the coast.
Saw some nice boats some not so nice but I did notice a few like the ops boat. Looking tatty and loads of growth of stuff on the hulls.
I've decided on the azimut 55s by the way. Funnily I've seen three two looks great one looked really tired.
Saw some nice boats some not so nice but I did notice a few like the ops boat. Looking tatty and loads of growth of stuff on the hulls.
I've decided on the azimut 55s by the way. Funnily I've seen three two looks great one looked really tired.
I have my business in a boatyard (the unit has height and crane inside) so I see and do a bit on boats.
Theres loads just left in the yard which get sold for peanuts. One recently was 35k euro for years but it jut sold for 600 quid and all they took were the engines then the digger smashed up the hull.
Then theres the dream boats. Old boy Jimmy is retired/came into money/whatever buys a big boat. Gets it ready then sails off into the sunset.
He heads for Monaco or something. However he didn't realises that it would be about 5k in fuel to get there. So it gets left, he pays to have it there for years but can't afford to bring it back. So there it stays neglected and ignored for many years.
I want a boat I really do (sea legs in my family going back generations). However I'm clever enough too understand the best 2 days as a boat owner are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.
Theres loads just left in the yard which get sold for peanuts. One recently was 35k euro for years but it jut sold for 600 quid and all they took were the engines then the digger smashed up the hull.
Then theres the dream boats. Old boy Jimmy is retired/came into money/whatever buys a big boat. Gets it ready then sails off into the sunset.
He heads for Monaco or something. However he didn't realises that it would be about 5k in fuel to get there. So it gets left, he pays to have it there for years but can't afford to bring it back. So there it stays neglected and ignored for many years.
I want a boat I really do (sea legs in my family going back generations). However I'm clever enough too understand the best 2 days as a boat owner are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.
chammyman said:
However I'm clever enough too understand the best 2 days as a boat owner are the day you buy it and the day you sell it.
I don't agree with this. Cost-effective sailing really is possible.We have an old 17 foot sailing boat on Loch Lomond that I paid the princely sum of £1200 a few years ago. A bit of power washing and some varnishing restored her lustre and she is absolutely fine for pottering about and the odd bit of club racing.
In terms of annual costs, including insurance, mooring fees and winter storage, I don't pay more than £600. Sure, we've spent another few quid here and there buying luxuries here and there but at that end of the market, it's £50 here and £100 there.
Really owes me next to nothing and in terms of enjoyment for cost, is about the best value thing I have ever bought.
Of course, it's not a super yacht but my point is if you want to sail, it really needn't be pricey.
Disastrous said:
I don't agree with this. Cost-effective sailing really is possible.
We have an old 17 foot sailing boat on Loch Lomond that I paid the princely sum of £1200 a few years ago. A bit of power washing and some varnishing restored her lustre and she is absolutely fine for pottering about and the odd bit of club racing.
In terms of annual costs, including insurance, mooring fees and winter storage, I don't pay more than £600. Sure, we've spent another few quid here and there buying luxuries here and there but at that end of the market, it's £50 here and £100 there.
Really owes me next to nothing and in terms of enjoyment for cost, is about the best value thing I have ever bought.
Of course, it's not a super yacht but my point is if you want to sail, it really needn't be pricey.
Howdy neighbour, I'm in Sandpoint Marina in Dumbarton.We have an old 17 foot sailing boat on Loch Lomond that I paid the princely sum of £1200 a few years ago. A bit of power washing and some varnishing restored her lustre and she is absolutely fine for pottering about and the odd bit of club racing.
In terms of annual costs, including insurance, mooring fees and winter storage, I don't pay more than £600. Sure, we've spent another few quid here and there buying luxuries here and there but at that end of the market, it's £50 here and £100 there.
Really owes me next to nothing and in terms of enjoyment for cost, is about the best value thing I have ever bought.
Of course, it's not a super yacht but my point is if you want to sail, it really needn't be pricey.
Yes it is possible and in the marina theres a few stuck here in the yard living in their boats long term due to costs.
As you say if your happy with a small sail boat then it can be affordable but a 50 foot motor sail boat costs add up quick.
chammyman said:
Disastrous said:
I don't agree with this. Cost-effective sailing really is possible.
We have an old 17 foot sailing boat on Loch Lomond that I paid the princely sum of £1200 a few years ago. A bit of power washing and some varnishing restored her lustre and she is absolutely fine for pottering about and the odd bit of club racing.
In terms of annual costs, including insurance, mooring fees and winter storage, I don't pay more than £600. Sure, we've spent another few quid here and there buying luxuries here and there but at that end of the market, it's £50 here and £100 there.
Really owes me next to nothing and in terms of enjoyment for cost, is about the best value thing I have ever bought.
Of course, it's not a super yacht but my point is if you want to sail, it really needn't be pricey.
Howdy neighbour, I'm in Sandpoint Marina in Dumbarton.We have an old 17 foot sailing boat on Loch Lomond that I paid the princely sum of £1200 a few years ago. A bit of power washing and some varnishing restored her lustre and she is absolutely fine for pottering about and the odd bit of club racing.
In terms of annual costs, including insurance, mooring fees and winter storage, I don't pay more than £600. Sure, we've spent another few quid here and there buying luxuries here and there but at that end of the market, it's £50 here and £100 there.
Really owes me next to nothing and in terms of enjoyment for cost, is about the best value thing I have ever bought.
Of course, it's not a super yacht but my point is if you want to sail, it really needn't be pricey.
Yes it is possible and in the marina theres a few stuck here in the yard living in their boats long term due to costs.
As you say if your happy with a small sail boat then it can be affordable but a 50 foot motor sail boat costs add up quick.
You'll know the answer to my long held question then - is it possible to sail out of Loch Lomond and down past you to the Clyde?
I'm not even sure it's accessible and even if it was, I feel like you would probably have to drop a mast or something but wondering how feasible this is for a jaunt??
Agreed, it doesn't take much for the costs to ramp up significantly but we're thinking about moving up to a GK24 or something capable of a bit more lengthy cruising in the near future and I don't anticipate the costs to rise too much more I don't think. Of course, anything without sails will cost you a fortune in fuel and anything 50 foot sized is a different proposition entirely!
Disastrous said:
Hello!
You'll know the answer to my long held question then - is it possible to sail out of Loch Lomond and down past you to the Clyde?
I'm not even sure it's accessible and even if it was, I feel like you would probably have to drop a mast or something but wondering how feasible this is for a jaunt??
Agreed, it doesn't take much for the costs to ramp up significantly but we're thinking about moving up to a GK24 or something capable of a bit more lengthy cruising in the near future and I don't anticipate the costs to rise too much more I don't think. Of course, anything without sails will cost you a fortune in fuel and anything 50 foot sized is a different proposition entirely!
Only the dead bodies get down here. Usually every couple of months the police divers come and recover them on our slip.You'll know the answer to my long held question then - is it possible to sail out of Loch Lomond and down past you to the Clyde?
I'm not even sure it's accessible and even if it was, I feel like you would probably have to drop a mast or something but wondering how feasible this is for a jaunt??
Agreed, it doesn't take much for the costs to ramp up significantly but we're thinking about moving up to a GK24 or something capable of a bit more lengthy cruising in the near future and I don't anticipate the costs to rise too much more I don't think. Of course, anything without sails will cost you a fortune in fuel and anything 50 foot sized is a different proposition entirely!
But for actual boats sadly not. Mostly because of the sluices and just under the bridge on bridgestreet theres a ford drop which you can't see at high tide.
http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/rivers/scotland...
Pop into the yard for a look, the road crew is there currently for all the road resurfacing thats happeing about the area, so its a bit busy just now. I'm in unit 14 C.S. Automotive Engineering if you want to say hello, my name is Chris.
The cycle path follows the river from the Bridge Street bridge up to Balloch if you are into a cycle for a nose about.
But for a small boat it may be ok.
I'm ust used to larger boats being around. You would have to drop a mast to get under the bridges at high tide as the clearence is maybe 12 feet at high tide.
High tide also floods the path across the river behind the high street.
I'll ask around at the yard though for a better answer.
I'm ust used to larger boats being around. You would have to drop a mast to get under the bridges at high tide as the clearence is maybe 12 feet at high tide.
High tide also floods the path across the river behind the high street.
I'll ask around at the yard though for a better answer.
Disastrous said:
chammyman said:
Disastrous said:
I don't agree with this. Cost-effective sailing really is possible.
We have an old 17 foot sailing boat on Loch Lomond that I paid the princely sum of £1200 a few years ago. A bit of power washing and some varnishing restored her lustre and she is absolutely fine for pottering about and the odd bit of club racing.
In terms of annual costs, including insurance, mooring fees and winter storage, I don't pay more than £600. Sure, we've spent another few quid here and there buying luxuries here and there but at that end of the market, it's £50 here and £100 there.
Really owes me next to nothing and in terms of enjoyment for cost, is about the best value thing I have ever bought.
Of course, it's not a super yacht but my point is if you want to sail, it really needn't be pricey.
Howdy neighbour, I'm in Sandpoint Marina in Dumbarton.We have an old 17 foot sailing boat on Loch Lomond that I paid the princely sum of £1200 a few years ago. A bit of power washing and some varnishing restored her lustre and she is absolutely fine for pottering about and the odd bit of club racing.
In terms of annual costs, including insurance, mooring fees and winter storage, I don't pay more than £600. Sure, we've spent another few quid here and there buying luxuries here and there but at that end of the market, it's £50 here and £100 there.
Really owes me next to nothing and in terms of enjoyment for cost, is about the best value thing I have ever bought.
Of course, it's not a super yacht but my point is if you want to sail, it really needn't be pricey.
Yes it is possible and in the marina theres a few stuck here in the yard living in their boats long term due to costs.
As you say if your happy with a small sail boat then it can be affordable but a 50 foot motor sail boat costs add up quick.
You'll know the answer to my long held question then - is it possible to sail out of Loch Lomond and down past you to the Clyde?
I'm not even sure it's accessible and even if it was, I feel like you would probably have to drop a mast or something but wondering how feasible this is for a jaunt??
Agreed, it doesn't take much for the costs to ramp up significantly but we're thinking about moving up to a GK24 or something capable of a bit more lengthy cruising in the near future and I don't anticipate the costs to rise too much more I don't think. Of course, anything without sails will cost you a fortune in fuel and anything 50 foot sized is a different proposition entirely!
chammyman said:
Disastrous said:
Hello!
You'll know the answer to my long held question then - is it possible to sail out of Loch Lomond and down past you to the Clyde?
I'm not even sure it's accessible and even if it was, I feel like you would probably have to drop a mast or something but wondering how feasible this is for a jaunt??
Agreed, it doesn't take much for the costs to ramp up significantly but we're thinking about moving up to a GK24 or something capable of a bit more lengthy cruising in the near future and I don't anticipate the costs to rise too much more I don't think. Of course, anything without sails will cost you a fortune in fuel and anything 50 foot sized is a different proposition entirely!
Only the dead bodies get down here. Usually every couple of months the police divers come and recover them on our slip.You'll know the answer to my long held question then - is it possible to sail out of Loch Lomond and down past you to the Clyde?
I'm not even sure it's accessible and even if it was, I feel like you would probably have to drop a mast or something but wondering how feasible this is for a jaunt??
Agreed, it doesn't take much for the costs to ramp up significantly but we're thinking about moving up to a GK24 or something capable of a bit more lengthy cruising in the near future and I don't anticipate the costs to rise too much more I don't think. Of course, anything without sails will cost you a fortune in fuel and anything 50 foot sized is a different proposition entirely!
But for actual boats sadly not. Mostly because of the sluices and just under the bridge on bridgestreet theres a ford drop which you can't see at high tide.
http://www.ukriversguidebook.co.uk/rivers/scotland...
Pop into the yard for a look, the road crew is there currently for all the road resurfacing thats happeing about the area, so its a bit busy just now. I'm in unit 14 C.S. Automotive Engineering if you want to say hello, my name is Chris.
The cycle path follows the river from the Bridge Street bridge up to Balloch if you are into a cycle for a nose about.
Your link has made me want to attempt it on a Paddleboard now
Huntsman said:
While we have Lomond/Leven discussion happening...
What happened to the Dunkirk Little Ship Skylark XI that was floated from the Leven after she sank? Did they get enough funding to get her up and running?
Unfortunately not, they are still looking for funding and it's still just sitting there looking very sorry for itself.What happened to the Dunkirk Little Ship Skylark XI that was floated from the Leven after she sank? Did they get enough funding to get her up and running?
Huntsman said:
R8Steve said:
Unfortunately not, they are still looking for funding and it's still just sitting there looking very sorry for itself.
Thanks. Shame, are they keeping the rain water out?There's not been much of an attempt to keep the water out imo, not sure why they don't put a large tarp over it or take it out the water for that matter.
R8Steve said:
Here's the crowdfunding page in fact. https://crowdfunding.justgiving.com/save-skylark#!
There's not been much of an attempt to keep the water out imo, not sure why they don't put a large tarp over it or take it out the water for that matter.
She's afloat? That's much better than ashore. So many similar project fall by the wayside, but as a nation we do a good job of this type of preservation.There's not been much of an attempt to keep the water out imo, not sure why they don't put a large tarp over it or take it out the water for that matter.
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