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bigbubba said:
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The Victor and Vulcan had very different lives while in service too.
I used Concorde as an example to show how statistics don't mean a great deal when dealing with aircraft.
Some are more comparable than others.Eric Mc said:
You can only compare like with like. The nearest equivalents to the Vulcan were the Victor and Valiant - in both role, performance and operational use and numbers built. That's why I drew a comparison with them and no other aircraft.
Not really a comparison Eric. The Valiant only lasted 10 years in service and there were 136 Vulcans to 86 Victors.The Victor and Vulcan had very different lives while in service too.
I used Concorde as an example to show how statistics don't mean a great deal when dealing with aircraft.
I do think there was an issue with the Vulcan on approach - purely because it was a delta and required a steeper angle of attack to prevent a stall - as deltas of that era usually did. It was due to the high angle of attack requred on approach that both Concorde and the FD2 had a hinged nose.
I wish I'd asked Martin Withers about this when I went to his talk last May.
Apache said:
If you read Vulcan 607 it mentions how tricky it was to land, especially turning or lining up for approach. The view was likened to looking out of a post box
I used to know a Vulcan pilot, he once said they were easy to spot as when they flew anything else they flared out miles from the ground 
Eric Mc said:
I do think there was an issue with the Vulcan on approach - purely because it was a delta and required a steeper angle of attack to prevent a stall
Delta wings don't stall in the conventional sense and can be taken to much steeper angles of attack than conventional wings as a result; however they perform fairly poorly in terms of lift at low speeds so that's why they are rather nose high and typically have faster approach speeds. Not much of an issue for a nuclear bomber really.
DamienB said:
Eric Mc said:
I do think there was an issue with the Vulcan on approach - purely because it was a delta and required a steeper angle of attack to prevent a stall
Delta wings don't stall in the conventional sense and can be taken to much steeper angles of attack than conventional wings as a result; however they perform fairly poorly in terms of lift at low speeds so that's why they are rather nose high and typically have faster approach speeds. Not much of an issue for a nuclear bomber really.
"Not heard of a plane going into the beach there, but an American Airlines Boeing most definitely did pile into the beach just short of the runway in Kingston, Jamaica not so long ago."
I think you'll find it most definitely ran off the end of the runway having landed long (1200m long to be (vaguely) precise).....so quite the opposite. The FAA has advised AA to update their tailwind landing training/guidlines as a result of this incident.
I think you'll find it most definitely ran off the end of the runway having landed long (1200m long to be (vaguely) precise).....so quite the opposite. The FAA has advised AA to update their tailwind landing training/guidlines as a result of this incident.
c7xlg said:
"Not heard of a plane going into the beach there, but an American Airlines Boeing most definitely did pile into the beach just short of the runway in Kingston, Jamaica not so long ago."
I think you'll find it most definitely ran off the end of the runway having landed long (1200m long to be (vaguely) precise).....so quite the opposite. The FAA has advised AA to update their tailwind landing training/guidlines as a result of this incident.
Fairy Nuff I think you'll find it most definitely ran off the end of the runway having landed long (1200m long to be (vaguely) precise).....so quite the opposite. The FAA has advised AA to update their tailwind landing training/guidlines as a result of this incident.
Still most definiteley piled into the beach though!Went to see the old bird today. They are doing tours around it while it is in for winter maintenance.
Fantastic experience to get up close to such a magnificent aircraft, even though I've been this close to it before.
10/10 for the tour too, very informative, without being overly technical.
P.S. Which PH'er was there too? Maroon Golf in the carpark with a PH Smilely in the back window!!!
Fantastic experience to get up close to such a magnificent aircraft, even though I've been this close to it before.
10/10 for the tour too, very informative, without being overly technical.
P.S. Which PH'er was there too? Maroon Golf in the carpark with a PH Smilely in the back window!!!
Missed XH558 when I was passing Robin Hood on Monday, so dropped into Sunderland Airport in my Lunch Hour to see the one up there.
Also found this snippit on the BBC Website .. Not sure if its been posted on here, and really couldnt be arsed to trawl though 150 pages of ulcan stuff to find out
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/wear/hi/people_and_pla...
Also found this snippit on the BBC Website .. Not sure if its been posted on here, and really couldnt be arsed to trawl though 150 pages of ulcan stuff to find out
http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/wear/hi/people_and_pla...
http://www.vulcantothesky.org/appearances
vulcan to the sky web site,all the info you need on there, you can even support it if you want, Yes I know the feelings of some on here, as a long time lurker.
If you've never heard it take off, the noise is awesome.
Andy
vulcan to the sky web site,all the info you need on there, you can even support it if you want, Yes I know the feelings of some on here, as a long time lurker.
If you've never heard it take off, the noise is awesome.
Andy
Head up next for next Sunday... http://www.channel4.com/programmes/falklands-most-...
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