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I know for a fact the incident took place - its well known. The picture is a scan from an original wet print and was published on www.arrse.co.uk by the person who took it. It started as a fuel fire and spread to the tanks - could be a BLEVE - and/or the ammunition.
BruceV8 said:
I know for a fact the incident took place - its well known. The picture is a scan from an original wet print and was published on www.arrse.co.uk by the person who took it. It started as a fuel fire and spread to the tanks - could be a BLEVE - and/or the ammunition.
No idea what BLEVE means.Didn't the Cent have fire supression? (Or was the Cheiftain the first)
If not, I'm staggered the RE didn't retrofit one in the forty odd years of knocking about in it.
Many hurt?
Edit - ARRSE seems to indicate fuel fire during refuelling, and 165 HESH...
Flamin' 'eck... literally.
Edited by Dunk76 on Sunday 4th January 23:02
Dunk76 said:
BruceV8 said:
I know for a fact the incident took place - its well known. The picture is a scan from an original wet print and was published on www.arrse.co.uk by the person who took it. It started as a fuel fire and spread to the tanks - could be a BLEVE - and/or the ammunition.
No idea what BLEVE means.Didn't the Cent have fire supression? (Or was the Cheiftain the first)
If not, I'm staggered the RE didn't retrofit one in the forty odd years of knocking about in it.
Many hurt?
Edit - ARRSE seems to indicate fuel fire during refuelling, and 165 HESH...
Flamin' 'eck... literally.
Edited by Dunk76 on Sunday 4th January 23:02
The sort of fire and explosion if say an LPG tank ruptured and ignited- one of the worst fires to deal with I was told.
Dunk76 said:
No idea what BLEVE means.
Boiling Liquid Expanding Vapour Explosionhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BLEVE
Dunk76 said:
BruceV8 said:
I know for a fact the incident took place - its well known. The picture is a scan from an original wet print and was published on www.arrse.co.uk by the person who took it. It started as a fuel fire and spread to the tanks - could be a BLEVE - and/or the ammunition.
No idea what BLEVE means.Didn't the Cent have fire supression? (Or was the Cheiftain the first)
If not, I'm staggered the RE didn't retrofit one in the forty odd years of knocking about in it.
Many hurt?
Edit - ARRSE seems to indicate fuel fire during refuelling, and 165 HESH...
Flamin' 'eck... literally.
Edited by Dunk76 on Sunday 4th January 23:02
BruceV8 said:
I know for a fact the incident took place - its well known. The picture is a scan from an original wet print and was published on www.arrse.co.uk by the person who took it. It started as a fuel fire and spread to the tanks - could be a BLEVE - and/or the ammunition.
Bruce.Thanks for the confirmation
mybrainhurts said:
Rocket powered catapult, launching Hurricane for convoy defence.
After sortie, Hurricane had to find land or ditch in the sea, in which case the pilot baled out.
3 August 1941 - Lieutenant Everett from Maplin shot down a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the destroyer Wanderer.
1 November 1941 - Flying Officer Varley from Empire Foam chased away a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the destroyer Broke.
26 April 1942 - Flying Officer Kendal from Empire Morn in convoy QP 12 chased away a Blohm & Voss BV 138 and shot down a Junkers Ju 88 and died from injuries received while bailing out of his aircraft.
Pilot Officer Hay from Empire Lawrence in convoy PQ 16 shot down two Heinkel He 111 before being shot down and recovered by the destroyer Volunteer.
14 June 1942 - Pilot Officer Sanders from Empire Moon in convoy HG 84 chased away a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the sloop Stork.
18 September 1942 - Flying Officer Burr from Empire Morn destroyed two Heinkel He 111 and flew to the Russian Keg Ostrov aerodrome.
1 November 1942 - Flying Officer Taylor from Empire Heath in convoy HG 91 shot down a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and narrowly avoided drowning before recovery.
28 July 1943 - Flying Officer Stewart from Empire Darwin in convoy SL 133 damaged a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the sloop Enchantress.
Flying Officer Flynn from Empire Tide in convoy SL 133 destroyed a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the sloop Leith.
http://www.navyhistory.org.au/the-catapult-fighter...
I only ever had a quick nose round a Cent AVRE, and it was a driver training vehicle, so all the stowage was up the creek, but given that the one and only CR2 to have been destroyed was lost to the detonation of the 120mm HESH racked on the turret floor...
Propellant is treated a bit more seriously, and there's a lot more of it, with stowage in liquid-filled bins in CH and early CR1s, replaced with armoured bins for later CR1s, but the basic premise remains that anything that can go bang is best kept below the turret ring. This works well in the closed-down, hull-down Inner German Border scenario, but leads to compromises elsewhere or in other roles - witness the applique armour packs in use in the Gulf.
Propellant is treated a bit more seriously, and there's a lot more of it, with stowage in liquid-filled bins in CH and early CR1s, replaced with armoured bins for later CR1s, but the basic premise remains that anything that can go bang is best kept below the turret ring. This works well in the closed-down, hull-down Inner German Border scenario, but leads to compromises elsewhere or in other roles - witness the applique armour packs in use in the Gulf.
Nick_F said:
I only ever had a quick nose round a Cent AVRE, and it was a driver training vehicle, so all the stowage was up the creek, but given that the one and only CR2 to have been destroyed was lost to the detonation of the 120mm HESH racked on the turret floor...
Propellant is treated a bit more seriously, and there's a lot more of it, with stowage in liquid-filled bins in CH and early CR1s, replaced with armoured bins for later CR1s, but the basic premise remains that anything that can go bang is best kept below the turret ring. This works well in the closed-down, hull-down Inner German Border scenario, but leads to compromises elsewhere or in other roles - witness the applique armour packs in use in the Gulf.
Hmmm, although, I'd have thought that the hull stowage would be more suitable in Insurgent (Iraqi/Afghanistan) situations than the blow-off turret bins of the M1 Abrahms?Propellant is treated a bit more seriously, and there's a lot more of it, with stowage in liquid-filled bins in CH and early CR1s, replaced with armoured bins for later CR1s, but the basic premise remains that anything that can go bang is best kept below the turret ring. This works well in the closed-down, hull-down Inner German Border scenario, but leads to compromises elsewhere or in other roles - witness the applique armour packs in use in the Gulf.
Mind you, I've got the Graham forgottenhissurname book on the Chieftain, he crewed them, and the liquid filled bins aren't held in particularly high regard.
Dunk76 said:
Nick_F said:
I only ever had a quick nose round a Cent AVRE, and it was a driver training vehicle, so all the stowage was up the creek, but given that the one and only CR2 to have been destroyed was lost to the detonation of the 120mm HESH racked on the turret floor...
Propellant is treated a bit more seriously, and there's a lot more of it, with stowage in liquid-filled bins in CH and early CR1s, replaced with armoured bins for later CR1s, but the basic premise remains that anything that can go bang is best kept below the turret ring. This works well in the closed-down, hull-down Inner German Border scenario, but leads to compromises elsewhere or in other roles - witness the applique armour packs in use in the Gulf.
Hmmm, although, I'd have thought that the hull stowage would be more suitable in Insurgent (Iraqi/Afghanistan) situations than the blow-off turret bins of the M1 Abrahms?Propellant is treated a bit more seriously, and there's a lot more of it, with stowage in liquid-filled bins in CH and early CR1s, replaced with armoured bins for later CR1s, but the basic premise remains that anything that can go bang is best kept below the turret ring. This works well in the closed-down, hull-down Inner German Border scenario, but leads to compromises elsewhere or in other roles - witness the applique armour packs in use in the Gulf.
Mind you, I've got the Graham forgottenhissurname book on the Chieftain, he crewed them, and the liquid filled bins aren't held in particularly high regard.
The trouble with hull stowage is that, by and large, on modern MBTs the hull from the track line downwards is relatively poorly protected - it's structural, rather than armoured - so it's more vulnerable to man-portable weapons, mines, IEDs etc. when you find yourself in a non-defensive role.
I suspect that there will have to be some fundamental changes when CR2 is re-gunned with the German smoothbore gun, as that uses single-piece ammunition.
FourWheelDrift said:
mybrainhurts said:
Rocket powered catapult, launching Hurricane for convoy defence.
After sortie, Hurricane had to find land or ditch in the sea, in which case the pilot baled out.
3 August 1941 - Lieutenant Everett from Maplin shot down a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the destroyer Wanderer.
1 November 1941 - Flying Officer Varley from Empire Foam chased away a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the destroyer Broke.
26 April 1942 - Flying Officer Kendal from Empire Morn in convoy QP 12 chased away a Blohm & Voss BV 138 and shot down a Junkers Ju 88 and died from injuries received while bailing out of his aircraft.
Pilot Officer Hay from Empire Lawrence in convoy PQ 16 shot down two Heinkel He 111 before being shot down and recovered by the destroyer Volunteer.
14 June 1942 - Pilot Officer Sanders from Empire Moon in convoy HG 84 chased away a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the sloop Stork.
18 September 1942 - Flying Officer Burr from Empire Morn destroyed two Heinkel He 111 and flew to the Russian Keg Ostrov aerodrome.
1 November 1942 - Flying Officer Taylor from Empire Heath in convoy HG 91 shot down a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and narrowly avoided drowning before recovery.
28 July 1943 - Flying Officer Stewart from Empire Darwin in convoy SL 133 damaged a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the sloop Enchantress.
Flying Officer Flynn from Empire Tide in convoy SL 133 destroyed a Focke-Wulf Fw 200 and was recovered by the sloop Leith.
http://www.navyhistory.org.au/the-catapult-fighter...
Chain home (Early RADAR). Bawdsey/Shingle Street.
My father was located here during part the War (later middle east, Shetlands) and traveled to work in the back of a bread van for secrecy.
The work hut had a 40w bulb connected to a small look of wire that (due to inductance) glowed a cherry red.
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