typhoon at northolt
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eharding said:
Yertis said:
If only there were some kind of v/stol aircraft more suited to such deployments. You'd have that such an aircraft would have been built by now, and that any kind of far-sighted government would have bought such a machine.
Eh? - the Harrier's forte was ground-attack. 
Instead of Ocean, we could have parked an Invincible class on the Thames if the RAF hadn't done it's best to get shot of SHAR.
aeropilot said:
eharding said:
Yertis said:
If only there were some kind of v/stol aircraft more suited to such deployments. You'd have that such an aircraft would have been built by now, and that any kind of far-sighted government would have bought such a machine.
Eh? - the Harrier's forte was ground-attack. Instead of Ocean, we could have parked an Invincible class on the Thames if the RAF hadn't done it's best to get shot of SHAR.
I don't know the weapons fit of the late-series Harrier, but I'd have thought that it was fitted with air-to-air capability sufficient to deal with any kind of aerial threat to the Olympics. It's hardly likely to be a turning and burning contest is it.
Still, I know s
t so happy to be advised if otherwise.
In which case I will cite the second-generation P1154 as a suitable alternative.
Still, I know s
t so happy to be advised if otherwise. In which case I will cite the second-generation P1154 as a suitable alternative.
Yertis said:
I don't know the weapons fit of the late-series Harrier, but I'd have thought that it was fitted with air-to-air capability sufficient to deal with any kind of aerial threat to the Olympics. It's hardly likely to be a turning and burning contest is it.
Only the Sea Harrier had any air-to-air weapons capability.Yertis said:
aeropilot said:
Only the Sea Harrier had any air-to-air weapons capability.
I thought the GR7/9 could carry Sidewinders. Wikipedia seems to confirm? Only the Sea Harrier with it's superior Blue Vixen radar and weapons systems had an offense air-air weapons system, as it was designed for fleet defence as well as offensive air-air and air-ground.
Yertis said:
Couldn't you just get behind the likely threat and press 'FIRE'?
I agree I'm arguing from a position of total ignorance about these matters.
In a high threat hostile enviroment, theoretically, yes.I agree I'm arguing from a position of total ignorance about these matters.
That's not exactly the situation we are talking about though.
It's complete;y accademic though given we don't have any Harriers.
The other issue with a Harrier is that they wern't allowed to fly over London or high built up areas as they only had a single donk, and glided like a well thrown manhole cover.....
aeropilot said:
The other issue with a Harrier is that they wern't allowed to fly over London or high built up areas as they only had a single donk, and glided like a well thrown manhole cover.....
I presume a "donk" is jargon for engine? And if so, how come the red arrows with their single "donk" hawks are allowed to?dvs_dave said:
aeropilot said:
The other issue with a Harrier is that they wern't allowed to fly over London or high built up areas as they only had a single donk, and glided like a well thrown manhole cover.....
I presume a "donk" is jargon for engine? And if so, how come the red arrows with their single "donk" hawks are allowed to?
Zaxxon said:
dvs_dave said:
aeropilot said:
The other issue with a Harrier is that they wern't allowed to fly over London or high built up areas as they only had a single donk, and glided like a well thrown manhole cover.....
I presume a "donk" is jargon for engine? And if so, how come the red arrows with their single "donk" hawks are allowed to?
In a nutshell.
However, the Scarlet Sparrows have CAA dispensation to do flyover's. The problem with the Harrier was that the pilot has to bang out right away if the engine quits, not ideal over major built-up areas. In a conventional aeroplane, there's always a chance to glide the a/c away to as safe a point as possible, such as the Thames etc.
aeropilot said:
In a conventional aeroplane, there's always a chance to glide the a/c away to as safe a point as possible, such as the Thames etc.
Hawk will easily glide at better than 1000' per mile. Generally in a Hawk T1/T1a if you are engine out, and aiming for a PFL, you reduce speed to attain the best glide by making a zoom climb (dependent upon the energy on the airframe) until you have best Lift/Drag ratio speed (180 kts). Then you glide till you have a 'one in one plus one', ie you start the final glide such that you have 1000ft per mile to go plus 1000ft (eg 10 miles to run = 11,000ft). You then increase speed in the dive to maintain the 'one in one plus one' (about 240 kts). This gives you the energy to manoeuvre at the bottom of the glide to achieve an intercept somewhere in the pattern between 'High Key' and 'Low Key' such that you can achieve the 'dead stick landing'.The upshot of this is that the 'Sparrows' are allowed to operate over the Capital (despite being single engined) because their a/c are easily capable of gliding to a clear area should they suffer an engine failure.
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