F16 Dead Stick Landing
Discussion
SamHH said:
Do the Tornado and similar planes have a mechanical backup in case the electronics fail?
The Tornado can be flown within certain limits if the electronics fail;. Agile fighters such as the F16/Eurofighter Typhoon/Rafale/Grippen/F-22 cannot.Hwere's what happens when the computer throws a wobbly -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iToQ2FykoI
bobthemonkey said:
Mojocvh said:
EPU-running a monofuel that generates it's own oxygen as it burns, APU's are generally regarded as AIR breathing.
EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Pretty sue the F16 is worse in that it uses hydrazine, which isn't exactly pleasant stuff!EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:43
Dmann14 said:
I am an ex-F16 Avionics Tech. I am now a Capt with a small town fire department and a hazardous material specialist. We received annual training on the hazards of the F-16 and hydrazine was top of the list. Hydrazine we a fuel used to power the EPU as previously stated. The tack was on the right hand side of the aircraft midship. There was an inspection door directly below the tank that contained a red neoprene disk, if when inspected and disk was black there was a leak and we were advised not to open the door but to run like hell. If there was a bitter almond type odor then the IDLH had probably been reached. As a side note: Being deployed all over the world and away from our families we had to make our own fun as a practical joke while servicing the aircraft the night before flight we would sometimes take cups cut them down and put water in them, placing them on top of the inspection door so when the crew chief would do his morning walk around he would get a face full of what he initially thought to be hydrazine. Some very funny reactions came out of this along with some not so happy crew chiefs.
mybrainhurts said:
bobthemonkey said:
Mojocvh said:
EPU-running a monofuel that generates it's own oxygen as it burns, APU's are generally regarded as AIR breathing.
EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Pretty sue the F16 is worse in that it uses hydrazine, which isn't exactly pleasant stuff!EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:43
Dmann14 said:
I am an ex-F16 Avionics Tech. I am now a Capt with a small town fire department and a hazardous material specialist. We received annual training on the hazards of the F-16 and hydrazine was top of the list. Hydrazine we a fuel used to power the EPU as previously stated. The tack was on the right hand side of the aircraft midship. There was an inspection door directly below the tank that contained a red neoprene disk, if when inspected and disk was black there was a leak and we were advised not to open the door but to run like hell. If there was a bitter almond type odor then the IDLH had probably been reached. As a side note: Being deployed all over the world and away from our families we had to make our own fun as a practical joke while servicing the aircraft the night before flight we would sometimes take cups cut them down and put water in them, placing them on top of the inspection door so when the crew chief would do his morning walk around he would get a face full of what he initially thought to be hydrazine. Some very funny reactions came out of this along with some not so happy crew chiefs.
Thats it! memory check!!
mybrainhurts said:
bobthemonkey said:
Mojocvh said:
EPU-running a monofuel that generates it's own oxygen as it burns, APU's are generally regarded as AIR breathing.
EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Pretty sue the F16 is worse in that it uses hydrazine, which isn't exactly pleasant stuff!EPU's running monofuels have highly toxic exhaust gas components, the rule is get upwind and stay there.
A monofuel leak, on aircraft, is a very nasty affair indeed.
Last time I saw one was on a Canberra PR9 [at Bodo a long time ago] luckily the amount of monofuel (AVPIN) in the engine starting system is/was comparatively small. However the bloke that got more than a face full wasn't the happiest of chaps......especially as the deluge system was frozen over, he still went it though, head first to break the ice.
Edited by Mojocvh on Wednesday 27th April 18:43
Dmann14 said:
I am an ex-F16 Avionics Tech. I am now a Capt with a small town fire department and a hazardous material specialist. We received annual training on the hazards of the F-16 and hydrazine was top of the list. Hydrazine we a fuel used to power the EPU as previously stated. The tack was on the right hand side of the aircraft midship. There was an inspection door directly below the tank that contained a red neoprene disk, if when inspected and disk was black there was a leak and we were advised not to open the door but to run like hell. If there was a bitter almond type odor then the IDLH had probably been reached. As a side note: Being deployed all over the world and away from our families we had to make our own fun as a practical joke while servicing the aircraft the night before flight we would sometimes take cups cut them down and put water in them, placing them on top of the inspection door so when the crew chief would do his morning walk around he would get a face full of what he initially thought to be hydrazine. Some very funny reactions came out of this along with some not so happy crew chiefs.
That's it! memory check!!
Eric Mc said:
eccles said:
Eric Mc said:
. It is not TOTALLY reliant on its electronic control system to stay in the air.
Having said that, it won't stay in the air very long if it has a total electrics failure! 
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