Paddle Boarding
Discussion
CharlieAlphaMike said:
With regard to governance of the sport, the RYA must be the obvious choice I would have thought.
I would not have thought so.Firstly, is SUP actually a 'sport'?
I think for most people who stand on a board, it is a pastime, a leisure activity.
Where it is actually a 'sport', it seems to cross over being close to canoeing as a paddle sport or surfing as a board sport.
Neither of which are in the RYA's remit.
Although lots of people with an RYA club background dabble in SUP use, but you could say that about fishing.
What sport is it closest to? It's about 2 seconds away from swimming.
CharlieAlphaMike said:
Such an awful tragedy and one that should never have happened. Common sense says you should avoid weirs at all costs. I don't know the area so I don't know what warning signs exist telling people about the weir. But even without signage, a simple reccy of the area would be the sensible thing to do. I only SUP on the sea but I always check where I'm going on various marine charts.
Safety is vitally important with every sport of course but I'd hate to see SUP'ing become too heavily regulated. If it's an 'organised' event or 'paid for' SUP lessons by a watersports school, then ok, H&S should be part of the teaching. I also think that some basic safety instructions should be provided at the POS (the importance of using a leash and the sort of leash to use relative to where you intend to SUP for example). The problem is that too many SUP's can be bought from retailers who have absolutely no knowledge about the sport which I would argue makes the sport too accessible for complete novices. I mentioned elsewhere in this thread that I witnessed a family (man, woman and two young kids) venturing out to sea on a SUP (all four of them on one SUP) without using a leash and in very difficult windy, choppy conditions. I spoke to them and gave them some advice but it was clear they had no clue about the dangers. They were asking for trouble.
I don't think the problem is so much the accessibility of SUP, it's more about how easy it is to get into a position of being the expert who others rely on.Safety is vitally important with every sport of course but I'd hate to see SUP'ing become too heavily regulated. If it's an 'organised' event or 'paid for' SUP lessons by a watersports school, then ok, H&S should be part of the teaching. I also think that some basic safety instructions should be provided at the POS (the importance of using a leash and the sort of leash to use relative to where you intend to SUP for example). The problem is that too many SUP's can be bought from retailers who have absolutely no knowledge about the sport which I would argue makes the sport too accessible for complete novices. I mentioned elsewhere in this thread that I witnessed a family (man, woman and two young kids) venturing out to sea on a SUP (all four of them on one SUP) without using a leash and in very difficult windy, choppy conditions. I spoke to them and gave them some advice but it was clear they had no clue about the dangers. They were asking for trouble.
That's not just people setting up as commercial 'trip providers' but also those of us in proper clubs who may find ourselves being relied on by others.
CharlieAlphaMike said:
OutInTheShed said:
MAIB report for the Haverfordwest disaster is out:
https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
With regard to governance of the sport, the RYA must be the obvious choice I would have thought. https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
OutInTheShed said:
CharlieAlphaMike said:
With regard to governance of the sport, the RYA must be the obvious choice I would have thought.
I would not have thought so.Firstly, is SUP actually a 'sport'?
I think for most people who stand on a board, it is a pastime, a leisure activity.
Where it is actually a 'sport', it seems to cross over being close to canoeing as a paddle sport or surfing as a board sport.
Neither of which are in the RYA's remit.
Although lots of people with an RYA club background dabble in SUP use, but you could say that about fishing.
What sport is it closest to? It's about 2 seconds away from swimming.
“An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or a team competes against another or others for entertainment.”
So paddle boarding clearly can be a sport.
I personally paddle-boardi on Chichester harbour, Hayling and we hold an annual around the Island race. for SUPs windsurfers and various other non engined watercraft.
CharlieAlphaMike said:
OutInTheShed said:
MAIB report for the Haverfordwest disaster is out:
https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
With regard to governance of the sport, the RYA must be the obvious choice I would have thought. https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
The outcome will likely be a set of guidelines which will be as much for insurance purposes as anything else.
Evanivitch said:
Governance nearly always only applies in competition or formal training. Neither of which really apply to SUP.
If there's a coaching / leading structure in place then a company running trips would - presumably - need to follow the governing body guidelines if only to get third party insurance. 
monthou said:
CharlieAlphaMike said:
OutInTheShed said:
MAIB report for the Haverfordwest disaster is out:
https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
With regard to governance of the sport, the RYA must be the obvious choice I would have thought. https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
Evanivitch said:
monthou said:
If there's a coaching / leading structure in place then a company running trips would - presumably - need to follow the governing body guidelines if only to get third party insurance.
Guidelines are not exclusively the remit of governing bodies...I do know if you're running paid kayak trips you'll need people with the appropriate qualifications to get insurance - and that means BCU or BCU recognised.
CharlieAlphaMike said:
monthou said:
CharlieAlphaMike said:
OutInTheShed said:
MAIB report for the Haverfordwest disaster is out:
https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
With regard to governance of the sport, the RYA must be the obvious choice I would have thought. https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
CharlieAlphaMike said:
mcdjl said:
OutInTheShed said:
MAIB report for the Haverfordwest disaster is out:
https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
Not good reading. Remember just because it was nice yesterday it doesn't mean it will be tomorrow.https://www.gov.uk/maib-reports/commerical-stand-u...
Safety is vitally important with every sport of course but I'd hate to see SUP'ing become too heavily regulated. If it's an 'organised' event or 'paid for' SUP lessons by a watersports school, then ok, H&S should be part of the teaching. I also think that some basic safety instructions should be provided at the POS (the importance of using a leash and the sort of leash to use relative to where you intend to SUP for example). The problem is that too many SUP's can be bought from retailers who have absolutely no knowledge about the sport which I would argue makes the sport too accessible for complete novices. I mentioned elsewhere in this thread that I witnessed a family (man, woman and two young kids) venturing out to sea on a SUP (all four of them on one SUP) without using a leash and in very difficult windy, choppy conditions. I spoke to them and gave them some advice but it was clear they had no clue about the dangers. They were asking for trouble.
monthou said:
Evanivitch said:
monthou said:
If there's a coaching / leading structure in place then a company running trips would - presumably - need to follow the governing body guidelines if only to get third party insurance.
Guidelines are not exclusively the remit of governing bodies...I do know if you're running paid kayak trips you'll need people with the appropriate qualifications to get insurance - and that means BCU or BCU recognised.
mcdjl said:
It's a toss up at the moment. BCU/ canoe England are slowly using bits of it on and incorporating it as sup is a paddle sport. That said since they were slow on the uptake there is a British sup federation but I don't think it's got any government standing, but does run courses/ training. The government sorry only really matters for central funding/ world type competitions.
I can see how the surf federations are a good fit for beach-based sup use - which I would have thought is most of it. As you say it's a toss-up. I don't see where the RYA fit in though, or why they'd be interested.monthou said:
I can see how the surf federations are a good fit for beach-based sup use - which I would have thought is most of it. As you say it's a toss-up. I don't see where the RYA fit in though, or why they'd be interested.
I suggested the RYA because I come from a Windsurfing background and they're involved in that sport. My SUP closely resembles a Windsurf board and there are such things as Wind SUP's. It's probably quite difficult to 'pigeonhole' SUP'ing because it crosses over so many other watersports. Anyone of a number of governing bodies could be a good fit for the sport. I just hope it doesn't get over regulated.
Has anyone been out on their boards yet this year?
The wife’s on about wanting to get into paddle boarding, we’re going to try and get a taster session done in the lakes at the end of the month but what do you professionals think of this board:
https://www.costco.co.uk/Sports-Spas-Leisure/Boati...
The wife’s on about wanting to get into paddle boarding, we’re going to try and get a taster session done in the lakes at the end of the month but what do you professionals think of this board:
https://www.costco.co.uk/Sports-Spas-Leisure/Boati...
RammyMP said:
Has anyone been out on their boards yet this year?
The wife’s on about wanting to get into paddle boarding, we’re going to try and get a taster session done in the lakes at the end of the month but what do you professionals think of this board:
https://www.costco.co.uk/Sports-Spas-Leisure/Boati...
I've been vaguely looking.The wife’s on about wanting to get into paddle boarding, we’re going to try and get a taster session done in the lakes at the end of the month but what do you professionals think of this board:
https://www.costco.co.uk/Sports-Spas-Leisure/Boati...
That doesn't look super-cheap.
12V pump only?
Very often see people wanting to pump up their boards on the beach, having parked a distance away.
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