Discussion
Trevatanus said:
damon80 said:
The RAF need to take the Vulcan in. It would be criminal to leave it grounded after all the efforts of the VTTST.
The RAF have no money 
aeropilot said:
Trevatanus said:
damon80 said:
The RAF need to take the Vulcan in. It would be criminal to leave it grounded after all the efforts of the VTTST.
The RAF have no money slartibartfast said:
aeropilot said:
RoverP6B said:
XM607 at Waddington is in no less pitiful a state, albeit intact AFAIK. That the RAF haven't taken better care of her is lamentable and shameful.
607 is in a very poor state from what I hear from ex-Waddo personnel, the general feeling is that it hasn't got too many years left before it will have to be scrapped - as it's already gone past the point of remedial action required for it's long term saving.RoverP6B said:
Incidentally, why are people rude about how XL318 was dismantled? I've seen the photos, it looks to me like they dismantled it in the approved manner and reassembled it as it had originally been assembled.
Not quite.....As it was never destined to fly again, liberties were taken with some of the disassembly process (understandably) and while the airframe structure was done as per the book, the systems weren't, and crash n smash cut/sawed there way through a lot of the systems at the joints.
Such a shame, should have been earmarked for under cover preservation back in 1982/3. I still remember queuing at RAF Abingdon Battle of Britain day in Sept 1982 when it was in the static park, and they had the cockpit open for tours, and I got to sit in left hand seat for a few minutes.
Dr Jekyll said:
A red herring. Avro were absorbed by Hawker Siddeley long before the first Lancaster flew, BAE are effectively the manufacturer. Also a Lancaster is not classified as complex by the CAA so doesn't need manufacturer support.
First Lanc flight 9th January 1941: Avro didn't get absorbed into HS until July 1963.Richjam said:
Vtts had 8 engines initially but only 7 were approved by the CAA for use in XH558 i believe the 8th engine was not in a sealed condition so therefore not classed as 'zero hours'.
Is that eight spares or eight in total including the four in the aeroplane?RoverP6B said:
Dr Jekyll said:
A red herring. Avro were absorbed by Hawker Siddeley long before the first Lancaster flew, BAE are effectively the manufacturer. Also a Lancaster is not classified as complex by the CAA so doesn't need manufacturer support.
First Lanc flight 9th January 1941: Avro didn't get absorbed into HS until July 1963.Richjam said:
Vtts had 8 engines initially but only 7 were approved by the CAA for use in XH558 i believe the 8th engine was not in a sealed condition so therefore not classed as 'zero hours'.
Is that eight spares or eight in total including the four in the aeroplane?When the VTTS project first started the four engines fitted to 558 when it arrived were already timed out. So they had eight engines in total.
One was indeed unsealed and had a little corrosion, but that was easily fixed once the engine was required for use. There was another temporarily withdrawn due to debris in the oil, but investigation confirmed this was left over from manufacturing so not a problem and the engine was airworthy after all. The fix for the corrosion and the investigation of the debris didn't take place until after the great silica bag cock up because it wasn't worth spending the money when they already had 2 spare engines.
damon80 said:
This is utter, utter tish unfortunately.
The majority of folk working on XH558 are not employed by BAE, so how does it matter if they (BAE/Marshal Aerospace) withdraw their support?
The Lancaster is still flying, and AVRO are no longer in existence - although later amalgamated into BAE. The Lanc can still fly - although under RAF support.
The RAF need to take the Vulcan in. It would be criminal to leave it grounded after all the efforts of the VTTST.
I would have read the VTTS FAQs before writing all that...The majority of folk working on XH558 are not employed by BAE, so how does it matter if they (BAE/Marshal Aerospace) withdraw their support?
The Lancaster is still flying, and AVRO are no longer in existence - although later amalgamated into BAE. The Lanc can still fly - although under RAF support.
The RAF need to take the Vulcan in. It would be criminal to leave it grounded after all the efforts of the VTTST.
Trust me a cash strapped RAF, with a thousand other problems, have no interest in taking on the Vulcan just to keep air show enthusiasts entertained each summer... I dont normally post whimiscal rubbish but someone once said dont cry because its over, smile because it happened.
jmorgan said:
All this aside, just started Tony Blackmans book, "Vulcan Boys". Interesting stuff so far, sort of insights I like rather than a collection of stuff and rammed in a book willy nilly.
So, flying with no canopy eh? easy.
Didn't know he'd done another book, I'll have to look for it.So, flying with no canopy eh? easy.
RoverP6B said:
Yeah, like they couldn't have rushed it out a few days early... what the blazes are they playing at?!
Maybe in order to keep the crowds away from Doncaster that threatened the North and South tours the other weekend they promised they were not the last flights, even thought htey actually were?I'm sure they will announce soon that due to weather/technical/unicorn reasons the North and South Tours were in fact the last flights.
Sixpackpert said:
Maybe in order to keep the crowds away from Doncaster that threatened the North and South tours the other weekend they promised they were not the last flights, even thought htey actually were?
I'm sure they will announce soon that due to weather/technical/unicorn reasons the North and South Tours were in fact the last flights.
I'm sure they will announce soon that due to weather/technical/unicorn reasons the North and South Tours were in fact the last flights.
Threatened, my arse. Finningley isn't anything like as busy as Donington, and the latter keeps going even when there's a bloody big rock festival going on in the field next door.
And no, I do not expect '558 to fly again under her current ownership. This will prove to be one deceit too far for VTTS. It's time that aeroplane was removed from their control.
And no, I do not expect '558 to fly again under her current ownership. This will prove to be one deceit too far for VTTS. It's time that aeroplane was removed from their control.
RoverP6B said:
Threatened, my arse. Finningley isn't anything like as busy as Donington, and the latter keeps going even when there's a bloody big rock festival going on in the field next door.
And no, I do not expect '558 to fly again under her current ownership. This will prove to be one deceit too far for VTTS. It's time that aeroplane was removed from their control.
May I ask (in all honesty) why 'one deceit too far'?And no, I do not expect '558 to fly again under her current ownership. This will prove to be one deceit too far for VTTS. It's time that aeroplane was removed from their control.
Because they dangled the tantalising hint of a final flight which they clearly had no intention of fulfilling, given that they had a few days of good weather at Finningley over the weekend, until yesterday. It's just the latest in a string of disingenuous or wilfully dishonest press releases from VTTS.
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