Post amazingly cool pictures of aircraft (Volume 1)

[Eric Mc]

eccles said:

Eric Mc said:

IforB said:

Eric Mc said:

There is no real reason - apart from custom.

On helicopters, the commander DOES sit on the right.

Not always. With helicopters you have to worry about weight and balance across the aircraft, not just fore and aft. It depends on which direction the blades rotate. In most heli's the commander sits on the right, but not every one.

I suppose it's a matter of what is practicable for each chopper. I was always told it was to do with the positioning of the collective controls etc that determined where the "captain" sat.

Do you know which ones feature the commander in the left hand seat?

Not forgetting a whole raft of attack style helicopter where the crew sit in tandem.....

I think in those types of heliicopters the other crew member is a weapons officer rahther than a co-pilot.

[cerberamatt]

Mr Dave said:

The pilot sits on the right in these IIRC.

What about the Bulldog and Jet Provost/Hunter/Lightning/Vampire trainers? Were they the same?

Which gives a good reason to post this

That Lightning photo is fantastic,I can't see it on there website.Can you buy it anywhere?

[Mr Dave]

http://media.photobucket.com/image/thunder%20city%...

Its got the photographers name on it there, maybe try to get in touch with him?

[eccles]

Eric Mc said:

eccles said:

Eric Mc said:

IforB said:

Eric Mc said:

There is no real reason - apart from custom.

On helicopters, the commander DOES sit on the right.

Not always. With helicopters you have to worry about weight and balance across the aircraft, not just fore and aft. It depends on which direction the blades rotate. In most heli's the commander sits on the right, but not every one.

I suppose it's a matter of what is practicable for each chopper. I was always told it was to do with the positioning of the collective controls etc that determined where the "captain" sat.

Do you know which ones feature the commander in the left hand seat?

Not forgetting a whole raft of attack style helicopter where the crew sit in tandem.....

I think in those types of heliicopters the other crew member is a weapons officer rahther than a co-pilot.

He's the co-pilot gunner in the Apache.

[Eric Mc]

So he can fly the aircraft too?

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

Mr Dave said:

What about the Bulldog and Jet Provost/Hunter/Lightning/Vampire trainers? Were they the same?

In the Bulldog and JP the Instructor/aircraft captain sits on the right, the stude on the left when the a/c is flown dual. When the a/c is flown solo the pilot sits on the left. I believe it was the same on the Hunter and Lightning - certainly pax rides were done with the baggage in the right hand seat.

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

eccles said:

Dr Jekyll said:

What's the small white parachute for?

Drogue chute to stabilise the seat, and stop it tumbling.

It also extracts the main 'chute when the scissor shackle opens (ie when the seat is below certain height and G limits), thus allowing seat separation.

[IforB]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Mr Dave said:

What about the Bulldog and Jet Provost/Hunter/Lightning/Vampire trainers? Were they the same?

In the Bulldog and JP the Instructor/aircraft captain sits on the right, the stude on the left when the a/c is flown dual. When the a/c is flown solo the pilot sits on the left. I believe it was the same on the Hunter and Lightning - certainly pax rides were done with the baggage in the right hand seat.

It's the same in civvy trainers too. The Instructor always sits on the right and the student on the left. Afterall, you're training them to be the aircraft captain and there's no point in making them swap seats when they fly solo!

[hidetheelephants]

IforB said:

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

Mr Dave said:

What about the Bulldog and Jet Provost/Hunter/Lightning/Vampire trainers? Were they the same?

In the Bulldog and JP the Instructor/aircraft captain sits on the right, the stude on the left when the a/c is flown dual. When the a/c is flown solo the pilot sits on the left. I believe it was the same on the Hunter and Lightning - certainly pax rides were done with the baggage in the right hand seat.

It's the same in civvy trainers too. The Instructor always sits on the right and the student on the left. Afterall, you're training them to be the aircraft captain and there's no point in making them swap seats when they fly solo!

Tricky to do midair too!

[Ginetta G15 Girl]

eccles said:

I seem to recall when 223 crashed on the airfield at Valley (due to burst tyre) the pilot got out at quite an angle and just missed the tower when he went whizzing passed in the seat!

That would be Mark Cable's incident. He told me about it when we were on Hercs together. He swore he didn't land with the brakes on, but the BOI reckoned that he did, compounded by an ANTI SKID failure.

He told me that time slowed down, the a/c started drifting towards the side of the R/W and he applied full opposite rudder. When it departed the runway onto the grass he decided "F this for a game of soldiers, (his words) and pulled the yellow and black handle.

I saw the video of the a/c narrowly missing the Tower (which was occupied by some friends of mine).

All in all a nasty one that could hve got so much worse so quickly!

[eccles]

Ginetta G15 Girl said:

eccles said:

I seem to recall when 223 crashed on the airfield at Valley (due to burst tyre) the pilot got out at quite an angle and just missed the tower when he went whizzing passed in the seat!

That would be Mark Cable's incident. He told me about it when we were on Hercs together. He swore he didn't land with the brakes on, but the BOI reckoned that he did, compounded by an ANTI SKID failure.

He told me that time slowed down, the a/c started drifting towards the side of the R/W and he applied full opposite rudder. When it departed the runway onto the grass he decided "F this for a game of soldiers, (his words) and pulled the yellow and black handle.

I saw the video of the a/c narrowly missing the Tower (which was occupied by some friends of mine).

All in all a nasty one that could hve got so much worse so quickly!

About the only amusing part of the incident was that the aircraft left Goshawk line (4FTS) for it's sortie and was due to land back at Sparrowhawk line (CFS) as they needed an extra aircraft. It managed to end up on sparrows, but in a slightly less than serviceable state.
The Hawk had a notoriously unreliable antiskid system, and burst tyres were a regular occurance.

[FWDRacer]

Post amazingly cool pictures of Aircraft

[BigS]

FWDRacer said:

Post amazingly cool pictures of Aircraft

Is this more to Sir's liking?

[AlexC1981]

I'm using this as my desktop wallpaper at the moment.

Looks like a real workhorse.

[mcdjl]

With swing wing aircraft what happens to the weapons pylons when the wings rotate? Do the pylons rotate as well so that they keep facing forwards or do they always end up pointed at an angle to the direction of travel?

[Lost soul]

Was lucky enough to see an F14 at the Mildenhall air show some years back , it did an incredible display

[thatone1967]

Lost soul said:

Was lucky enough to see an F14 at the Mildenhall air show some years back , it did an incredible display

"I'm gonna hit the deck, and he'll fly right by!!"

[tegwin]

mcdjl said:

With swing wing aircraft what happens to the weapons pylons when the wings rotate? Do the pylons rotate as well so that they keep facing forwards or do they always end up pointed at an angle to the direction of travel?

The pylons rotate as well... keeps the weapons load pointed into the wind...

[Eric Mc]

AlexC1981 said:

I'm using this as my desktop wallpaper at the moment.

Looks like a real workhorse.

"Work donkey" more like.

[scubadude]

BigS said:

FWDRacer said:

Post amazingly cool pictures of Aircraft

Is this more to Sir's liking?

NICE- They don't make 'em like they used to!

Sat in one of these aged 9 at Lossiemouth, (parents friends where stationed there) the engineer hung over the cockpit side ready to stop me flipping any switches as it was a real, armed, ready to go jet not a museam piece, was eventually dragged out to be replaced by the pilot who took it up.

The visit was finished by a visit to the control tower just as all hell broke loose when the wingman of the jet I'd sat in hoovered up a Seagull just after takeoff, we where pinned to the wall for a while as everyone ran around shouting then calmed down when it landed safely and we all trooped outside to inspect the dent on the nose and cooked seagull parts hanging out of the engine, grim but exciting when your a kid :-)