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Sneaky-beaky Turbine Islanders from Northolt, they've been doing it for years.
As I understand it, the mates in the back are toasty warm because of all the blinkenlights stuff, the mate at the front is freezing his arse off most of the time. Engine management is apparently non-trivial, and they need to be pointed in *precisely* the right direction, which is hard when you've got frostbite in your feet.
I remember leaning back in my chair out on the lawn at Waltham a few years ago, and looking up at a light twin who was clearly smack bang in the London TMA, and orbiting in a slightly erratic fashion. Generally, that is a very bad thing. A quick call on the bat-phone was met with an abrupt "We know. Not a problem" from Heathrow. Excellent - at least not the Mother Of All Zone Busts then.
Turns out they were filming some "Rubber Dinghy Rapids" enthusiasts at a paintball place just down the road.
Summary: Keep calm, and carry on.
eharding said:
I remember leaning back in my chair out on the lawn at Waltham a few years ago, and looking up at a light twin who was clearly smack bang in the London TMA, and orbiting in a slightly erratic fashion. Generally, that is a very bad thing. A quick call on the bat-phone was met with an abrupt "We know. Not a problem" from Heathrow. Excellent - at least not the Mother Of All Zone Busts then.
Turns out they were filming some "Rubber Dinghy Rapids" enthusiasts at a paintball place just down the road.
You've described exactly what I see and also confirmed what I thought. Scary that they have to really.Turns out they were filming some "Rubber Dinghy Rapids" enthusiasts at a paintball place just down the road.
mattviatura said:
onyx39 said:
care to share?
Not really, I don't like conspiracies on the whole and I'm a little bit ashamed of myself.But..
We have an Islander that sits circling for hours on end day and night, we are close to the approach to Manchester Airport and I wonder if it is to do with making sure there are no bad people about.
eharding said:
Sneaky-beaky Turbine Islanders from Northolt, they've been doing it for years.
As I understand it, the mates in the back are toasty warm because of all the blinkenlights stuff, the mate at the front is freezing his arse off most of the time. Engine management is apparently non-trivial, and they need to be pointed in *precisely* the right direction, which is hard when you've got frostbite in your feet.
I remember leaning back in my chair out on the lawn at Waltham a few years ago, and looking up at a light twin who was clearly smack bang in the London TMA, and orbiting in a slightly erratic fashion. Generally, that is a very bad thing. A quick call on the bat-phone was met with an abrupt "We know. Not a problem" from Heathrow. Excellent - at least not the Mother Of All Zone Busts then.
Turns out they were filming some "Rubber Dinghy Rapids" enthusiasts at a paintball place just down the road.
Summary: Keep calm, and carry on.
As I understand it, the mates in the back are toasty warm because of all the blinkenlights stuff, the mate at the front is freezing his arse off most of the time. Engine management is apparently non-trivial, and they need to be pointed in *precisely* the right direction, which is hard when you've got frostbite in your feet.
I remember leaning back in my chair out on the lawn at Waltham a few years ago, and looking up at a light twin who was clearly smack bang in the London TMA, and orbiting in a slightly erratic fashion. Generally, that is a very bad thing. A quick call on the bat-phone was met with an abrupt "We know. Not a problem" from Heathrow. Excellent - at least not the Mother Of All Zone Busts then.
Turns out they were filming some "Rubber Dinghy Rapids" enthusiasts at a paintball place just down the road.
Summary: Keep calm, and carry on.
Now im really fricken lost
cahami said:
Oh s
t have i opened a big can?
This is why I HATE discussing this subject.t have i opened a big can?I can't stand conspiracy theories.
There is an Islander patrolling - for want of a better word - the skies around the approaches to Manchester airport on a fairly frequent basis.
I'm not by any stretch of the imagination a conspiracy theorist.
It is a Britten-Norman Islander aircraft used by the police and MI5 to intercept wi-fi and telephone communications.
It can record voices, which are then believed to be analysed by GCHQ in Cheltenham. Voices are checked for similarities between ICOMM chatter from Afghanistan, and the recordings made by the aircraft in the UK. So for example, if insurgents' voices are recorded abroad they can analyse them to see if they are similar to those in the UK and so on.
The Islander aircraft patrol over London, Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester areas, flying at between 12,000ft and 15,000ft.
Hope that helps. More information is readily available on Google.
It can record voices, which are then believed to be analysed by GCHQ in Cheltenham. Voices are checked for similarities between ICOMM chatter from Afghanistan, and the recordings made by the aircraft in the UK. So for example, if insurgents' voices are recorded abroad they can analyse them to see if they are similar to those in the UK and so on.
The Islander aircraft patrol over London, Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester areas, flying at between 12,000ft and 15,000ft.
Hope that helps. More information is readily available on Google.
TheDiplomat said:
It is a Britten-Norman Islander aircraft used by the police and MI5 to intercept wi-fi and telephone communications.
It can record voices, which are then believed to be analysed by GCHQ in Cheltenham. Voices are checked for similarities between ICOMM chatter from Afghanistan, and the recordings made by the aircraft in the UK. So for example, if insurgents' voices are recorded abroad they can analyse them to see if they are similar to those in the UK and so on.
The Islander aircraft patrol over London, Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester areas, flying at between 12,000ft and 15,000ft.
Hope that helps. More information is readily available on Google.
If they can do all that now, why the hoo hah over this email and phone call legislation in the press?It can record voices, which are then believed to be analysed by GCHQ in Cheltenham. Voices are checked for similarities between ICOMM chatter from Afghanistan, and the recordings made by the aircraft in the UK. So for example, if insurgents' voices are recorded abroad they can analyse them to see if they are similar to those in the UK and so on.
The Islander aircraft patrol over London, Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester areas, flying at between 12,000ft and 15,000ft.
Hope that helps. More information is readily available on Google.
TheDiplomat said:
It is a Britten-Norman Islander aircraft used by the police and MI5 to intercept wi-fi and telephone communications.
It can record voices, which are then believed to be analysed by GCHQ in Cheltenham. Voices are checked for similarities between ICOMM chatter from Afghanistan, and the recordings made by the aircraft in the UK. So for example, if insurgents' voices are recorded abroad they can analyse them to see if they are similar to those in the UK and so on.
The Islander aircraft patrol over London, Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester areas, flying at between 12,000ft and 15,000ft.
Hope that helps. More information is readily available on Google.
If they can do all that now, why the hoo hah over this email and phone call legislation in the press?It can record voices, which are then believed to be analysed by GCHQ in Cheltenham. Voices are checked for similarities between ICOMM chatter from Afghanistan, and the recordings made by the aircraft in the UK. So for example, if insurgents' voices are recorded abroad they can analyse them to see if they are similar to those in the UK and so on.
The Islander aircraft patrol over London, Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester areas, flying at between 12,000ft and 15,000ft.
Hope that helps. More information is readily available on Google.
TheDiplomat said:
It is a Britten-Norman Islander aircraft used by the police and MI5 to intercept wi-fi and telephone communications.
It can record voices, which are then believed to be analysed by GCHQ in Cheltenham. Voices are checked for similarities between ICOMM chatter from Afghanistan, and the recordings made by the aircraft in the UK. So for example, if insurgents' voices are recorded abroad they can analyse them to see if they are similar to those in the UK and so on.
The Islander aircraft patrol over London, Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester areas, flying at between 12,000ft and 15,000ft.
Hope that helps. More information is readily available on Google.
Ok "the diplomat" what's you real PH ID? I don't doubt what your saying is true, but me thinks you set up a new ID to post this! It can record voices, which are then believed to be analysed by GCHQ in Cheltenham. Voices are checked for similarities between ICOMM chatter from Afghanistan, and the recordings made by the aircraft in the UK. So for example, if insurgents' voices are recorded abroad they can analyse them to see if they are similar to those in the UK and so on.
The Islander aircraft patrol over London, Birmingham, Coventry, Leicester, West Yorkshire and Greater Manchester areas, flying at between 12,000ft and 15,000ft.
Hope that helps. More information is readily available on Google.
Nope, no other PH profile. I'm a long time lurker though.
The new legislation is to enable analysis, in real time, of e-mails, mobile phone calls, SMS messages, and social networks such as Facebook. The key is the ability for real time, live analysis.
Incidentally, Gareth Williams, who was discovered dead in his Pimlico flat, helped to kit out three of the aircraft with their advanced surveillance systems. He also allegedly helped to develop the wide-band recorders fitted to the aircraft, which then upload their data to GCHQ for analysis.
The new legislation is to enable analysis, in real time, of e-mails, mobile phone calls, SMS messages, and social networks such as Facebook. The key is the ability for real time, live analysis.
Incidentally, Gareth Williams, who was discovered dead in his Pimlico flat, helped to kit out three of the aircraft with their advanced surveillance systems. He also allegedly helped to develop the wide-band recorders fitted to the aircraft, which then upload their data to GCHQ for analysis.
I have had a Google and yes, here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/79965...
"It can be revealed that Williams had also played an important role in creating signal intelligence equipment, known as sigint, to listen to Taliban communications in Afghanistan.
He had helped in fitting out three Brittan-Norman Islander aircraft with this equipment to be used as airborne-listening stations. Based at RAF Northolt in West London since 2007 they have flown over selected British cities searching for communications between suspected terrorists. A key part of the equipment is the wide-band recorders that Mr Williams helped to develop. Each has the capacity to vacuum up continuous mobile phone traffic in a city the size of Bradford. The "product" is then downloaded to GCHQ where state-of-the-art computers analyse the voices using voice-recognition software."
"It can be revealed that Williams had also played an important role in creating signal intelligence equipment, known as sigint, to listen to Taliban communications in Afghanistan.
He had helped in fitting out three Brittan-Norman Islander aircraft with this equipment to be used as airborne-listening stations. Based at RAF Northolt in West London since 2007 they have flown over selected British cities searching for communications between suspected terrorists. A key part of the equipment is the wide-band recorders that Mr Williams helped to develop. Each has the capacity to vacuum up continuous mobile phone traffic in a city the size of Bradford. The "product" is then downloaded to GCHQ where state-of-the-art computers analyse the voices using voice-recognition software."
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