Typhoon low flying height?
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Had to go and search on YT for some vids.. Found this, what a way to spend your day!
http://youtu.be/kT7qrYi8R_M
http://youtu.be/kT7qrYi8R_M
Sort of off topic but how cool would it be to be a typhoon pilot?
I remember being at Wings and Wheels near Guildford a few years back. The announcer said over the tannoy 'The typhoons are just leaving Lincolnshire, they will be here in 15 minutes (or something else ludicrously quick I think it was 15 though)'
I remember being at Wings and Wheels near Guildford a few years back. The announcer said over the tannoy 'The typhoons are just leaving Lincolnshire, they will be here in 15 minutes (or something else ludicrously quick I think it was 15 though)'
PanzerCommander said:
I am surprised the Scampton MATZ isn't on there as a red spot (Danger area up to FL9.5 when operational for the Red Arrows to practice) just north of Lincoln.
The chart is merely diagrammatic of where each of the LFAs and TTAs are. It doesn't show any controlled airspace, Prohibited Areas, or Danger Areas. It's also worth ponting out that, while virtually the whole of the UK is forms the UKLFS, on an LFC (Low Flying Chart) there will be plenty 'avoids' marked.WRT Scampton it is not actually Danger Area from Surface to FL95 but a Restricted Area - R313.
Originally it was a a PMP (Provost Marshal's Prohibited Area) - PMP313 - which was permanently active.
The change to a Restricted Area came about after the initial closure of Scampton at end 1995 and the relocation of the Reds to RAFC Cranwell (obviously they've since gone back to Scampton after the failed experiment that was the result of the Tory 'Front Line First' Defence cuts). This was to take account of the fact that the area was no longer permanently active (the activity is now 08:30-17:00 Mon - Fri & by NOTAM).
The point being is that, unlike in the old days, now you can bimble accross the top of Scampton in your puddle jumper on a weekend.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Tuesday 10th May 13:24
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Tuesday 10th May 13:26
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
The chart is merely diagrammatic of where each of the LFAs and TTAs are. It doesn't show any controlled airspace, Prohibited Areas, or Danger Areas. It's also worth ponting out that, while virtually the whole of the UK is forms the UKLFS, on an LFC (Low Flying Chart) there will be plenty 'avoids' marked.
WRT Scampton it is not actually Danger Area from Surface to FL95 but a Restricted Area - R313.
Originally it was a a PMP (Provost Marshal's Prohibited Area) - PMP313 - which was permanently active.
The change to a Restricted Area came about after the initial closure of Scampton at end 1995 and the relocation of the Reds to RAFC Cranwell (obviously they've since gone back to Scampton after the failed experiment that was the result of the Tory 'Front Line First' Defence cuts). This was to take account of the fact that the area was no longer permanently active (the activity is now 08:30-17:00 Mon - Fri & by NOTAM).
The point being is that, unlike in the old days, now you can bimble accross the top of Scampton in your puddle jumper on a weekend.
Thanks for the further clarification and extra info. And Yes I remember now it is indeed a restricted area rather than Danger (my map is at home in my flight bag - weekend spam can pilot WRT Scampton it is not actually Danger Area from Surface to FL95 but a Restricted Area - R313.
Originally it was a a PMP (Provost Marshal's Prohibited Area) - PMP313 - which was permanently active.
The change to a Restricted Area came about after the initial closure of Scampton at end 1995 and the relocation of the Reds to RAFC Cranwell (obviously they've since gone back to Scampton after the failed experiment that was the result of the Tory 'Front Line First' Defence cuts). This was to take account of the fact that the area was no longer permanently active (the activity is now 08:30-17:00 Mon - Fri & by NOTAM).
The point being is that, unlike in the old days, now you can bimble accross the top of Scampton in your puddle jumper on a weekend.
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Tuesday 10th May 13:24
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Tuesday 10th May 13:26
)Humberside Radar normally tells us its active if we are going south, even though its on the NOTAMs.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
garyhun said:
Is there a map of TTA's or do these change as I\d love to know where they are in relation to me?
Almost the whole of the UK is covered by the UKLFS (UK Low Flying System) - the green areas on the map.The 3 TTAs are marked in red.
Not a daft Q at all.
The Highlands Restricted Area (HRA) is made up of 4 components:
R601A (which is also the area covered by LFA14T (the Tactical Training Area marked in Red with black diagonal lines).
R601B, R601C, R601D (parts of LFA14 marked in Orange with black diagonal lines).
Effectively the black diagonals show the full extent of the HRA.
The components of the HRA are activated for Tornado TFR (Terrain Following Radar) sorties, which can be done at night or in bad weather (both of which would normally preclude low flying).
The Highlands Restricted Area (HRA) is made up of 4 components:
R601A (which is also the area covered by LFA14T (the Tactical Training Area marked in Red with black diagonal lines).
R601B, R601C, R601D (parts of LFA14 marked in Orange with black diagonal lines).
Effectively the black diagonals show the full extent of the HRA.
The components of the HRA are activated for Tornado TFR (Terrain Following Radar) sorties, which can be done at night or in bad weather (both of which would normally preclude low flying).
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Wednesday 11th May 13:50
p1stonhead said:
Sort of off topic but how cool would it be to be a typhoon pilot?
Not as cool as most people think - I'm not a pilot though I did spend my RAF career as a photographer supporting the Typhoon fleet (and BBMF among other units). I spent ages chasing my first Typhoon backseater and while it still remains one of the better things Ive ticked off the bucket list, the fact is that even though Ive wanted to be a pilot since I was four years old (and its actually what I signed up/passed the aptitude tests for) Im glad I didnt choose it as a career path.Its an incredibly uncomfortable/hot environment and most of the flying you do is essentially waypoint navigation. Thats when youre not in the simulator which is where you spend most of your time. Plus as a good man once told me, "you cant even use it as a chat-up line to impress women because they wont believe you". In fact having that glimpse into their life gave me a new-found respect for how tough their job actually is...though of course I wouldnt admit that to a pilot in person.
Ginetta G15 Girl said:
Not a daft Q at all.
The Highlands Restricted Area (HRA) is made up of 4 components:
R601A (which is also the area covered by LFA14T (the Tactical Training Area marked in Red with black diagonal lines).
R601B, R601C, R601D (parts of LFA14 marked in Orange with black diagonal lines).
Effectively the black diagonals show the full extent of the HRA.
The components of the HRA are activated for Tornado TFR (Terrain Following Radar) sorties, which can be done at night or in bad weather (both of which would normally preclude low flying).
Awesome, cheers GG, appreciate the explanation :-)The Highlands Restricted Area (HRA) is made up of 4 components:
R601A (which is also the area covered by LFA14T (the Tactical Training Area marked in Red with black diagonal lines).
R601B, R601C, R601D (parts of LFA14 marked in Orange with black diagonal lines).
Effectively the black diagonals show the full extent of the HRA.
The components of the HRA are activated for Tornado TFR (Terrain Following Radar) sorties, which can be done at night or in bad weather (both of which would normally preclude low flying).
Edited by Ginetta G15 Girl on Wednesday 11th May 13:50
Rogue86 said:
p1stonhead said:
Sort of off topic but how cool would it be to be a typhoon pilot?
Not as cool as most people think - I'm not a pilot though I did spend my RAF career as a photographer supporting the Typhoon fleet (and BBMF among other units). I spent ages chasing my first Typhoon backseater and while it still remains one of the better things Ive ticked off the bucket list, the fact is that even though Ive wanted to be a pilot since I was four years old (and its actually what I signed up/passed the aptitude tests for) Im glad I didnt choose it as a career path.Its an incredibly uncomfortable/hot environment and most of the flying you do is essentially waypoint navigation. Thats when youre not in the simulator which is where you spend most of your time. Plus as a good man once told me, "you cant even use it as a chat-up line to impress women because they wont believe you". In fact having that glimpse into their life gave me a new-found respect for how tough their job actually is...though of course I wouldnt admit that to a pilot in person.
ecsrobin said:
Not forgetting all the hours planning a sortie to walk out and the jet go unserviceable.
Nah, its the hours planning the sortie to walk and the jet/cab go unserviceable but the engineers promise it won't take too long to fix so hang on.....spend time updating CADs, auth, replanning the programme....wait.....just needs the paperwork done and signed off.....wait......shift change......nearly ready.....walk....breaks again....sortie cancelled...outbreak of apathy....have to hang around for ground run to get working jet/cab ready for next crew to go and have fun......It is worth the work, time and effort
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