I need to lose weight: What's good?

[Animal]

Chris71 said:

Does anyone know the situation with seeds and nuts? There seem to be conflicting reports as to whether they're a good thing to snack on or not...

You could try and catch dysentery - the pounds will fall off!

Seeds and nuts: Having small amounts of food throughout the day (as opposed to three large meals) will boost your metabolism and make you feel less bloated. The right seeds and nuts are full of fibre and protein and (mostly good) fats. The downside is that fat has a much higher energy content than protein or carbohydrates. As a guide, 1g of protein or carbs contains 4 kCal; 1g of fat contains 9kCal.

Your goal should not only be to consume the right amount of calories in a day, but to also get those calories from the best sources whilst also ensuring that you get sufficient vitamins, minerals etc to keep you healthy.

Your body needs fat, but the right sorts of fat. Lard is obviously bad, m'kay, but the fats from fresh fish like salmon and trout, and from nuts are good.

HTH,

Animal

[calibrax]

A few people have said to cut portion sizes, which is an excellent idea, but your brain will see the smaller portions and want you to eat more. To combat this, get smaller plates. Because they will look full even with a smaller portion, your brain is fooled into thinking you're not eating any less than usual.

[Mobile Chicane]

Animal said:

Lard is obviously bad, m'kay

Why?

Wikipedia said:

By the late 20th century, lard had begun to be considered less healthy than vegetable oils (such as olive and sunflower oil) because of its high saturated fatty acid and cholesterol content. However, despite its reputation, lard has less saturated fat, more unsaturated fat, and less cholesterol than an equal amount of butter by weight. Unlike many margarines and vegetable shortenings, unhydrogenated lard contains no trans fat.

[Sheets Tabuer]

I hear rape seed oil is better than olive oil by miles, I may have had a line spun to me by rape seed farmers though.

I always get the PH ad

Edited by Sheets Tabuer on Saturday 8th May 03:45

[pj157]

Cheese mec would love to see your crash diet
cheers
PJ

[Cheese Mechanic]

pj157 said:

Cheese mec would love to see your crash diet
cheers
PJ

Well, Here you go..............



MAYO DIET

DAYS 1 & 8 : B 3 EGGS BLACK COFFEE
L 3 EGGS DITTO
D 3 EGGS DITTO

DAYS 2 &9 : B EGG OR GRAPEFRUIT BLK COFFEE
L 3 EGGS BLK COFFEE
D STEAK , TOMATOES , COTTAGE CHEESE BLK COFFEE

DAYS 3 & 10 : B EGG OR GRAPEFRUIT BLK COFFEE
L GRILLED FISH TOMATO APPLE BLK COFFEE
D 3 EGGS DRY TOAST (BROWN BREAD) BLK COFFEE

DAYS 4 & 11 : B EGG OR GRAPEFRUIT BLK COFFEE
L LEAN HAM, TOMATOES , COTTAGE CHEESE, BLK COFFEE
D GRILLED FISH, CELERY ,ONION BLK COFFEE

DAYS 5&12 : B EGG OR GRAPEFRUIT BLK COFFEE
L 2 GRILLED LAMB CHOPS ,COTT CHEESE TOMATOES ,BLK COFFEE
D 3 EGGS DRY TOAST BLK COFFEE

DAYS 6&13 : B EGG OR GRAPEFRUIT BLK COFFEE
L 3 EGGS DRY TOAST (BROWN BREAD) BLK COFFE
D STEAK , CELERY, TOMATOES, COTT CHEESE APPLE BLK COFFEE

DAYS7&14 : B EGG OR GRAPEFRUIT BLK COFFEE
L GRILLED FISH ONION TOMATOES BLK COFFEE
D STEAK TOMATOES GRILLED MUSHROOMS BLK COFFEE


NO SPORT OR TRAINING WHILE ON DIET
DO NOT STAY ON DIET FOR LONGER THAN 14 DAYS
DIET CAN ONLY BE DONE 3 TIMES A YEAR
NO DRESSINGS OF ANY KIND ARE ALLOWED EXCEPT VINEGAR AND LEMON JUICE ,
NO FOOD OF ANY KIND BETWEEN MEALS,
LEMON JUICE IS OK AS A DRINK
NO TINNED FOOD
UP TO 5 POUND LOSS IN 3/4 DAYS , NOTHING 4/10 DAYS , MAXIMUM LOSS IN LAST 4 DAYS

It does what it says on the tin. Lemon Juice means crushed lemons, not lemon cordial etc. Take note of the *no Dressings* That means everything, apart from what is listed. Inc salt peper etc. Eggs means eggs, raw (which I did) boiled, or poached.

Ok sermon over. It works, I've personally done it twice, (approx 15 yrs apart). Would recomend keeping meal times the same, (does seem to have an effect), especially, not eating after 1800 hrs. 1900 at vey latest. If you do a heavy , physically demanding job , might be an idea to have the last few days off work. I didn't,but some may find it a good idea.

There you go.

P/S I personally found the grilled fish the hardest. The secret is to use the tomato wisely as a dressing to the dry fish. Vinegar and lemon juice help as well :-)

Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Saturday 8th May 12:05

[LordGrover]

I don't doubt you and others have lost weight, but christ! That's fking ridiculous.

[pj157]

cheers mate
sound great

[Simpo Two]

Animal said:

Your body needs fat, but the right sorts of fat. Lard is obviously bad, m'kay, but the fats from fresh fish like salmon and trout, and from nuts are good.

Is this simply down to saturated vs unsaturated fats or other factors?

[okgo]

Cheese mech

Explain to me what happened after the 14 days? Did you pile it all back on?

[Uncle Fester]

The key is understanding how the body works; I’m grossly simplifying here, but it’s what you need to know to achieve weight loss.

Most people make the mistake of diet all week, and then take a day off.

Your body normally runs on sugar that it gets from the food in your stomach. If there isn’t enough it causes hunger and prompts you to eat. If you eat too much then it initially stores the excess sugar in the liver. When the liver is full then the body converts the excess to fat and this is deposited in fat cells.

However, if you don’t eat enough to meet current needs then the body draws sugar back from the liver. When the store of sugar stored in the liver becomes low then the body begins to convert fat stored in fat cells into sugars and fatty acids. These are returned to the blood stream for use and to replace the store in the liver.

Putting all that into simple advice, if you diet all week and binge at the weekend (or something like it) then what happens is that you diet and draw the liver store of sugar. Then you refill the liver with sugar. Then you deplete the liver reserve again. Notice that there is no effect upon the fat cells.

This fast/binge cycle is useless for fat loss. You must continue to consume fewer calories than you burn for long enough to cause the system to burn fat. If you have one bad day and refill the liver then it will be days before you begin to burn fat again. So, don’t cheat.

If you want to empty the liver and rip fat off fast then the milk diet is the one. It’s usually only used for pre surgical reduction of the liver. If the surgeon needs to shrink the liver to allow room to displace the liver then this is what they recommend. It allows the liver to be moved aside and access to operate on the surrounding areas.

This isn’t safe for prolonged dieting so limit it to only three weeks maximum. It is also liable to cause constipation, so have a gentle laxative. You shouldn’t experience light headedness, but if you do experience light headedness that affects your ability to perform tasks like driving then either don’t drive, or stop this diet.

Your daily intake is 4 pints of semi skimmed milk, which you can flavour with sugar-free Crusha or similar sugar-free flavouring. One salty drink like a stock cube or a Bovril type drink. One pint of sugar free jelly. All the tea and coffee you like, but no sugar in it. All the diet fizzy drink you like. One multi vitamin tablet. You don’t eat any food whatsoever, just what I have listed above.

On this diet the weight will fall off, provided you don’t cheat. Remember, no days off or you start again. When you come off the milk diet, don’t go back to the overeating that put the weight on originally.

Increase your exercise levels and reduce all the portions by 50% from what you currently eat. Then adjust the quantities until you find a level that allows you to keep a stable weight.

If this leaves you hungry then add more fruit and fibre to your diet. Remember that not all types of food have the same affect upon your hunger. Protein prevents hunger for longer than other food types. Choose protein sources from healthy options like fish or chicken.

Remember not to continue this diet too long, the body will go into famine mode and you will do yourself harm, whilst losing weight slower than sticking to the program.

[Cheese Mechanic]

okgo said:

Cheese mech

Explain to me what happened after the 14 days? Did you pile it all back on?

The reason I put weight on in the first place, is because I had an enforced sedentary period. I used to eat and drink like there was no tomorrow, and my weight never shifted owing to leading such an active life. After I'd lost the weight, it was around 15 years before I needed to diet again.

Obviously, if your prone to putting weight on, then once the weight is off, then some sense is needed over what is eaten and amount, of course. Simple case of using the head.

I knew several people who would do this diet , once a year, and binge the rest, irrespective of putting weight on, as they knew thay could shed it again. January , seemed to be the favourite month to do it.

I don't know why, but everyone I knew who could do this diet was male, I knew several women who tried it, but none who saw it through. Strangely, those who whinged the most that they wanted to lose weight (and needed to) were those who would not even try it. No self discipline I suppose, a lot of the reason they were lard arses in the first place.

Edited by Cheese Mechanic on Sunday 9th May 10:36

[BMWBen]

Muzzer said:

Chris71 said:

Muzzer said:

* Cheese/Dairy products. A little milk and stuff is OK in moderation for cereal, etc but cheese is a definite no-no apart from a small weekly treat as are cream, ice cream, etc

Yep, that's probably a big thing. Cheese and red meat are my two favourite types of food. I also eat a lot of yoghurts - allegedly healthy ones, but still Muller Light manufactured jobbies, not natural yoghurt.

I think I need to draw up three lists: 'seek out', 'avoid' and 'occasional'.

Red meat is surprisingly OK if it's not a fatty piece and it's grilled or dry-fried.

A grilled steak for example is quite healthy.

But I would seriously look at portion sizes and quantity of food intake. If you cycle 50 miles a week at a reasonable pace, you should not have a weight problem...

I would say it's probably the fact that the 50 miles of biking isn't done at a hard enough pace - Are you actually pushing hard when cycling or just cruising?

[Chris71]

BMWBen said:

I would say it's probably the fact that the 50 miles of biking isn't done at a hard enough pace - Are you actually pushing hard when cycling or just cruising?

Well it's a very hilly route, so I tend to be slogging up the hills and then more or less coasting down them. I don't manage quite the pace of the Lycra-clad road bike brigade, but I don't hang about.

It's not 50 miles in one go though. It's 10km in the morning and 10km in the evening for typically four days a week (commuting).

[thatone1967]

If you have the willpower (which I don't) Lighter Life and The Cambridge Diet work.
My sister in law last around 6 stone on the Cambridge Diet, and I lost about 3 stone on Lighter Life.. but abstaining from all food (you live on soups, shakes and bars) is a killer!!!!!!!!!!

[Chris71]

So - continuing the protein and fibre comments from Uncle Fester's comments - what foods do you reckon offer the best compromise of making you feel full up while not actually adding too much weight? There must be some foods you can use to trick your body?

The milk diet sounds a tiny bit hardcore for me, but I like the concept.

[Baby Huey]

Don't eat breakfast. In fact, don't eat until you need to. 2 meals a day is plenty.

Drink plenty of strong coffee.

[okgo]

I hope that's a joke baby huey. Breakfast is a very very important meal, it brings your metabolism out of shutdown mode (night)

[Soovy]

Baby Huey said:

Don't eat breakfast. In fact, don't eat until you need to. 2 meals a day is plenty.

Drink plenty of strong coffee.

This.

I've lost 30lbs in the last few months.


Breakfast - Espresso
Lunch - Itsu small plate sushi
Dinner - normal meal

Alcohol - 6 units max per day

Weekend - massive takeaway Saturday night

[okgo]

Think what you could have lost if you had any clue how the body works.

Although to be fair some people are not interested where the weight comes from, I have muscle that needs to be maintained, andd the above diet would do me NO favours.