Rant: The fakeness of white 'rap' artists...Timberland..emin

[HertsBiker]

Dr Tre,
that is quite acceptable - and far removed from the usual sort of rap that involves killing folk, and doing drugs / having random violent sex.
Ok, it seems we can talk about rap. I accept that not all rap is cr@p. Show me some more please.......

[HertsBiker]

Technonotice said:

Dan_1981 said:

Technonotice said:

HertsBiker said:

ok, trying to fight my hatred of rap: can you please recomend some rap that I could listen to, that you think would persuade me that it is worthwhile. I promise to give it a serious go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW55FRXlPEs

IF I ruled The world - Nas

good choice. I got into Nas after listening to Tupac. Inparticular his Makiaveli album which I think is superb and not a difficult route into rap. And this coming from a guy who is more at home at a metallica concert!

How about Everlast?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vWhdz5svvQ

It's playing on my machine right now: is this rap? doesn't sound like what I call rap? this is an offshoot that is quite ok in my eyes!!! (ears)

[Technonotice]

chimera40 said:

Not "into" all Rap, I do though greatly appreciate the talent that has been displayed by a lot of these guys, Eminem in particular. The lyrics are in many cases extremely poetic and will IMHO be considered in the future as complete classics in much the same way as many Beatles, lyrics etc. If you take it as an evolution of expression, this form of writing is to today what Shakespeare et all where to their day. Just read the below as a poem.

Ahem.. excuse me!
Can I have the attention of the class for one second?


Hi kids! Do you like violence? (Yeah yeah yeah!)
Wanna see me stick Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids? (Uh-huh!)
Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah yeah!)
Try 'cid and get fked up worse that my life is? (Huh?)
My brain's dead weight, I'm trying to get my head straight
But I can't figure out which Spice Girl I want to impregnate (Ummmm..)
And Dr. Dre said, "Slim Shady you a basehead!"
Uh-uhhh! "So why's your face red? Man you wasted!"
Well since age twelve, I've felt like I'm someone else
Cause I hung my original self from the top bunk with a belt
Got pissed off and ripped Pamela Lee's tits off
And smacked her so hard I knocked her clothes backwards like Kris Kross
I smoke a fat pound of grass and fall on my ass
Faster than a fat bh who sat down too fast
C'mere slut! (Shady, wait a minute, that's my girl dog!)
I don't give a fk, God sent me to piss the world off!



My English teacher wanted to flunk me in Junior High
Thanks a lot, next semester I'll be 35
I smacked him in his face with an eraser, chased him with a stapler
And stapled his nuts to a stack of papers (Owwwwwwww!)
Walked in the strip club, had my jacket zipped up
Flashed the bartender, then stuck my dick in the tip cup
Extraterrestrial, running over pedestrians
In a space ship while they screaming at me: "LET'S JUST BE FRIENDS!"
Ninety-nine percent of my life I was lied to
I just found out my mom does more dope than I do (Damn!)
I told her I'd grow up to be a famous rapper
Make a record about doing drugs and name it after her (Oh thank you!)
You know you blew up when the women rush your stands
And try to touch your hands like some screaming Usher fans (Aaahhhhhh!)
This guy at White Castle asked for my autograph
(Dude, can I get your autograph?)
So I signed it: 'Dear Dave, thanks for the support, ASSHOLE!'

Stop the tape! This kid needs to be locked away! (Get him!)
Dr. Dre, don't just stand there, OPERATE!
I'm not ready to leave, it's too scary to die (fk that!)
I'll have to be carried inside the cemetery and buried alive (Huh yup!)
Am I coming or going? I can barely decide
I just drank a fifth of vodka -- dare me to drive? (Go ahead)
All my life I was very deprived
I ain't had a woman in years, and my palms are too hairy to hide (Whoops!)
Clothes ripped like the Incredible Hulk (hachhh-too)
I spit when I talk, I'll fk anything that walks (C'mere)
When I was little I used to get so hungry I would throw fits
HOW YOU GONNA BREAST FEED ME MOM? (WAH!)
YOU AIN'T GOT NO TITS! (WAHHH!)
I lay awake and strap myself in the bed
Put a bulletproof vest on and shoot myself in the head (BANG!)
I'm steaming mad (Arrrggghhh!)
And by the way when you see my dad? (Yeah?)
Tell him that I slit his throat, in this dream I had

He's very good with words but I'm just not to keen on the content.

Biggie though:

B-i-g, g-i-e, aka b-i-g, get it? biggie!,
Also known as the bon appetit, rappers cant sleep,
Need sleepin, big keep creepin,
Bullets heat seekin, casualties need treatin,
Dumb rappers need teachin, lesson A
Dont fk with b-i, thats that, oh I,
Thought he was wack, no come come now,
Why y'all so dumb now?, hunt me or be hunted,
I got 357 ways, to simmer saute,
I'm the winner all day, lights get dimmer down Biggie's hallway,
My forte causes caucasians to say, he sounds demented,
Car weed scented, if I said it, I meant it,
Bite my tongue for no one, call me evil, or unbelievable

[HertsBiker]

seems to me that maybe I was wrong to condemn out of hand, but those chavy YouTube samples from earlier sum up waht is wrong with rap for me, and most of the people I know. Perhaps rap needs to distance itself from this sort of thing?

[Technonotice]

HertsBiker said:

Technonotice said:

Dan_1981 said:

Technonotice said:

HertsBiker said:

ok, trying to fight my hatred of rap: can you please recomend some rap that I could listen to, that you think would persuade me that it is worthwhile. I promise to give it a serious go.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW55FRXlPEs

IF I ruled The world - Nas

good choice. I got into Nas after listening to Tupac. Inparticular his Makiaveli album which I think is superb and not a difficult route into rap. And this coming from a guy who is more at home at a metallica concert!

How about Everlast?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vWhdz5svvQ

It's playing on my machine right now: is this rap? doesn't sound like what I call rap? this is an offshoot that is quite ok in my eyes!!! (ears)

Everlast was the frontman from House of pain:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwQbPgouUYo

Have a look at his albums

Whitey Ford Sings the Blues (1998)
Eat at Whitey's (2000)

Its more hiphop/blues stuff. He uses an acoustic guitar quite a few tunes

Not your conventional rapper but really good!

[HertsBiker]

Oh dear god. This lot, I quote below is EXACTLY why I don't like rap.
WTF is wrong with the author? why is this such garbage? you surely can't
think this will be remembered as a grat song? DrTre, get me out of here.




Ahem.. excuse me!
Can I have the attention of the class for one second?


Hi kids! Do you like violence? (Yeah yeah yeah!)
Wanna see me stick Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids? (Uh-huh!)
Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah yeah!)
Try 'cid and get fked up worse that my life is? (Huh?)
My brain's dead weight, I'm trying to get my head straight
But I can't figure out which Spice Girl I want to impregnate (Ummmm..)

[Dan_1981]

I wouldn't really class Everlast as rap as such. Very good tho.

Try this for a bit of Tupac which I think is great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3NpHU9KEk&fea...

[DrTre]

Stretching the definition a little are G Love and Special Sauce, vaguely like Everlast...sort of...but more laid back.
Actually, this is hip hop not rap.

[discoman]

Here is a big enemy of Timbaland or however it is spelt (Scott Storch) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_IzYm2To1Y

Edited by discoman on Sunday 4th October 23:13

[Technonotice]

HertsBiker said:

Oh dear god. This lot, I quote below is EXACTLY why I don't like rap.
WTF is wrong with the author? why is this such garbage? you surely can't
think this will be remembered as a grat song? DrTre, get me out of here.




Ahem.. excuse me!
Can I have the attention of the class for one second?


Hi kids! Do you like violence? (Yeah yeah yeah!)
Wanna see me stick Nine Inch Nails through each one of my eyelids? (Uh-huh!)
Wanna copy me and do exactly like I did? (Yeah yeah!)
Try 'cid and get fked up worse that my life is? (Huh?)
My brain's dead weight, I'm trying to get my head straight
But I can't figure out which Spice Girl I want to impregnate (Ummmm..)

That will be Eminem.

Not a fan personally.

[HertsBiker]

Dan_1981 said:

I wouldn't really class Everlast as rap as such. Very good tho.

Try this for a bit of Tupac which I think is great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3NpHU9KEk&fea...

'fraid you're losing me.. ok, it's not mindless, but it isn't aesthetically pleasing. Think I'm falling back to my not liking rap. Shame, cos it was beginning to be interesting! keep linking, I'll listen.

[HertsBiker]

discoman said:

Here is a big enemy of Timbaland or however it is spelt (Scott Storch) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_IzYm2To1Y

Edited by discoman on Sunday 4th October 23:13

nice cars, but the music ain't going to last the years eh?

[useyourdellusion]

HertsBiker said:

seems to me that maybe I was wrong to condemn out of hand, but those chavy YouTube samples from earlier sum up waht is wrong with rap for me, and most of the people I know. Perhaps rap needs to distance itself from this sort of thing?

Yep. There are too many idiots who think they can get away with it.

I love anything from Hendrix to Abba to Super Furry Animals to Foo Fighters etc. etc. (you get the idea).

I can't resist listening to rap though, older stuff mainly. My Public Enemy albums are never too far out of reach.

Eminem though? Nah, never saw the appeal. Intelligent writing but maybe he should let somebody else do the rapping. His voice is just so annoying!

[HertsBiker]

we need a chat rather than a bulletin board. Has been interesting lads, I won't discard rap entirely, but I'm not sold on it. Will keep an eye on this thread cos I'm always waiting for new music to listen to. You'll have to forgive my earlier outburst, but you really need to find the best of rap to convince me and many others of its worth.
Keep it shiney side up folkes!
C

[pedantlewis]

DrTre said:

Actually, this is hip hop not rap.

That's not a distinction I've heard made before, hip hop music usually features rappers wouldn't you say?

Hertsbiker, the rap you have heard before and abhor is probably the sub-genre 'gangster rap' (bhes and hoes, guns, etc feature as major themes). I would suggest that other rap/hip hop is more accessible and less st.

Try some Jurassic 5, Tribe Called Quest, Ugly Duckling (who are even white, so on topic). There are many others who are well worth a listen.

[Technonotice]

Dan_1981 said:

I wouldn't really class Everlast as rap as such. Very good tho.

Try this for a bit of Tupac which I think is great.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3NpHU9KEk&fea...

Try and find Painkillers by everlast - awesome tune.

Ever listen to Tupac when he was in Digital Underground?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cj9_yW8tZxs

God bless the dead is a fave along with all eyes on me.

[HertsBiker]

useyourdellusion said:

HertsBiker said:

seems to me that maybe I was wrong to condemn out of hand, but those chavy YouTube samples from earlier sum up waht is wrong with rap for me, and most of the people I know. Perhaps rap needs to distance itself from this sort of thing?

Yep. There are too many idiots who think they can get away with it.

I love anything from Hendrix to Abba to Super Furry Animals to Foo Fighters etc. etc. (you get the idea).

I can't resist listening to rap though, older stuff mainly. My Public Enemy albums are never too far out of reach.

Eminem though? Nah, never saw the appeal. Intelligent writing but maybe he should let somebody else do the rapping. His voice is just so annoying!

You just mentioned Hendrix... and the Foo's... and Abba. And criticised Eminem... fascinating. Hendrix is one of my all time faves. I like black music, but not the current batch!!

[DrTre]

pedantlewis said:

That's not a distinction I've heard made before, hip hop music usually features rappers wouldn't you say?

Hertsbiker, the rap you have heard before and abhor is probably the sub-genre 'gangster rap' (bhes and hoes, guns, etc feature as major themes). I would suggest that other rap/hip hop is more accessible and less st.

Try some Jurassic 5, Tribe Called Quest, Ugly Duckling (who are even white, so on topic). There are many others who are well worth a listen.

I think there's a distinction, if only among aficionados, of which I'm certainly not one (as is clear!) but am probably wrong. Am not really sure that G Love technically raps

I'd say hip hop can feature rapping, but doesn't have to and some hip hop also has singers. It's all blurred lines to me though. Much like dance music definition has splintered far too far (IMO)

[Technonotice]

How about pitman?

Genius!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1dAf7EaJ28

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYdmoZN9PK0&fea...

I knew a girl called sam
She used to be a fox
Now she's a lezza
and avoids all cocks

Edited by Technonotice on Sunday 4th October 23:35

[useyourdellusion]

HertsBiker said:

useyourdellusion said:

HertsBiker said:

seems to me that maybe I was wrong to condemn out of hand, but those chavy YouTube samples from earlier sum up waht is wrong with rap for me, and most of the people I know. Perhaps rap needs to distance itself from this sort of thing?

Yep. There are too many idiots who think they can get away with it.

I love anything from Hendrix to Abba to Super Furry Animals to Foo Fighters etc. etc. (you get the idea).

I can't resist listening to rap though, older stuff mainly. My Public Enemy albums are never too far out of reach.

Eminem though? Nah, never saw the appeal. Intelligent writing but maybe he should let somebody else do the rapping. His voice is just so annoying!

You just mentioned Hendrix... and the Foo's... and Abba. And criticised Eminem... fascinating. Hendrix is one of my all time faves. I like black music, but not the current batch!!

Me neither, The Public Enemy albums I refer to are twenty years old now. There was nothing after those that really grabbed me. Powerful albums. After that all the 'gangsta' st came in.