Malcolm Hamilton's E-type
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GBRM said:
jellison said:
Gregor - same car I presume - bottom one much later mods?
Christ how far is the engine back in the botom one to allow the venting in that way!
I remember watch it when in the top pic spec.
Good spot Jelly, you should work for Autosport as you got more right than they did when writing about Astons recently!! The engine was a long way back and down (quite similar to Old Nail actually) and was designed by current Formula 1 man Jock Clear. When it was in it's orignal trim it was spectacular as Dad could drive it on the throttle everywhere whereas when it evolved it became a lot more difficult due to all the added downforce. Christ how far is the engine back in the botom one to allow the venting in that way!
I remember watch it when in the top pic spec.
I'm not sure if the E-Type is the original as I remember two huge accidents it was in and the second one does look a little different to the firt one but I could be wrong.
Agree on the first iteration of the car, yor dad used to slide if for miles out of hairpins just for fun.
Doe it still run in the spec in the bottom pic? All these cars are owned by Marsh?
jellison said:
Most of the people that write for these car mags seem to know Sweet FA about the real nitty gritty stuff.
Agree on the first iteration of the car, yor dad used to slide if for miles out of hairpins just for fun.
Doe it still run in the spec in the bottom pic? All these cars are owned by Marsh?
Unfortunately very true.Agree on the first iteration of the car, yor dad used to slide if for miles out of hairpins just for fun.
Doe it still run in the spec in the bottom pic? All these cars are owned by Marsh?
It was pretty tail happy and I did got the odd passenger experieince in it!!
As far as I know it's still pretty much as the bottom spec and it's still owned by Geoffrey Marsh and is rumoured to be coming out to play next year along with his new DB7 Aston Martin.
Great pictures and memories from what was one of my favourite series.
I also found another couple of pictures of both cars at http://www.fastjags.org.uk/gallery.htm
I think the yellow Porsche RSR/935 clone in a couple of the pictures belonged to my Dad's friend Gideon Hudson. That was the first race car I got to be a passenger in and started me on the path to race.
I also found another couple of pictures of both cars at http://www.fastjags.org.uk/gallery.htm
I think the yellow Porsche RSR/935 clone in a couple of the pictures belonged to my Dad's friend Gideon Hudson. That was the first race car I got to be a passenger in and started me on the path to race.
7 Sevens said:
Great pictures and memories from what was one of my favourite series.
I also found another couple of pictures of both cars at http://www.fastjags.org.uk/gallery.htm
I think the yellow Porsche RSR/935 clone in a couple of the pictures belonged to my Dad's friend Gideon Hudson. That was the first race car I got to be a passenger in and started me on the path to race.
I remember Gideon, always had Porsches and not a bad racer either, always at or near the front. The other 935 clone (orange) still races now and is in Britcar mainly.I also found another couple of pictures of both cars at http://www.fastjags.org.uk/gallery.htm
I think the yellow Porsche RSR/935 clone in a couple of the pictures belonged to my Dad's friend Gideon Hudson. That was the first race car I got to be a passenger in and started me on the path to race.
Wow! This is taking me back! AMOC Intermarque Championship, yes? Aston Martin vs Porsche vs Jaguar vs AC v Ferrari I think. Well remember Malc Hamilton's Jag; didn't it end up with an ex-Le Mans 7 litre lump from an XJR9 or some such Silk Cut machine? Also remember Gerry's Aston (who could ever forget that?) Gideon Hudson and Richard Chamberlain's 935 clones (Chamberlain's orange machine was originally owned by Mike Youles, I think) plus John Atkins beautiful Cobra, registered JA II.
I'm sure I've got some photos squirreled away somewhere so I'll have to see if I can find them and scan them. Thanks for posting those two, Gregor. Please feel free to share any more you have!
I'm sure I've got some photos squirreled away somewhere so I'll have to see if I can find them and scan them. Thanks for posting those two, Gregor. Please feel free to share any more you have!
GBRM said:
Glad you like them and sorry I've not got any of the E-Type by itself. No, not Dave Eliis, they belong to Geoffrey Marsh and driving is my late Dad, Gerry Marshall.
My deepest apologies and may I say utmost respect!What a legend.
Hamilton's car ended up with a 7.3 litre 750bhp engine in its final incarnation, much the same as the bottom pic but in stunning white and blue livery with polished alloys.
Any pics in this trim particularly appreciated.
I also remember seeing it race with no roof and an exposed rollcage, I think?
I was young at the time.
Gideon Hudson rings a bell along with Richard Chamberlain who also races an orange 935.
I just love these race cars and hope that the new series run by the AMOC brings a few more out of the woodwork. I wonder if Rob Beere's workshop will bring the E-type out of retirement? I was at Oulton when it took a pretty heavy knock at Old Hall about 7 years ago and I guess there has been no race series for it since. Someone has to have a pop at Dave Ellis' yellow peril tho!
Jon, Gregor (found a good pic of your Dad winning at Dubai in the Lola T70, yet, Gregor?), I do think that you are being very judgemental about the Autosport writers. They are all proper enthusiasts and pretty knowledgeable with it, although how you could expect anyone on, for example, the club side, to know the details of every club racing car that has raced in the UK over say, the last 30-40 years, is an expectation, I suggest, impossible to realise. The closest to that ideal would probably be Marcus Pye and even he has to check his facts from time to time, I can assure you. If you don't know, you ask, right? So, if the piece you are talking about is the one written by my son, Kevin, he was merely relaying news information that the new owner, Andy Jenkinson, of the one Marshplant Aston V8 which has escaped captivity, had conveyed to him. It is often only when such pieces are published that more information is forthcoming from interested parties who have read it, and that is exactly what occurred here, and an amending update was later published. However, the history of the Marshplant Aston V8s is actually rather complex and we still haven't really nailed it definitively. There are still certain differences of opinion about their respective histories. This is not the place to go into what we already know (and we are way off topic - more about the Hamilton E-type would be good!). The pleasing thing is that Geoffrey Marsh retains the two cars he had built up (although even that has a twist in it), and the other which he acquired after it had been built up, is now the one which Jenkinson owns and has already raced this year. So all 3 exist, and there will soon be news breaking about one of the others. Rest assured that Kevin is talking to both Geoffrey Marsh and Andy Jenkinson, as well as one of the mechanics who originally built up the car Jenkinson now owns, in order to try to pin down the history of these fabulous cars.
John Turner
John Turner
Edited by DP215 on Wednesday 1st October 13:20
John - I've got a good one of the Lola from Silverstone that year and have now got the Dubai GP on DVD so I could probably get some still from there.
OT - As for the thread I agree this isn't the place but I do expect an article to be properly thoroughly researched before publishing it to the world (and yes, I do expect Autosport to get EVERYTHING correct, high standards I know and you should read the Autosport thread on Autosport Atlas for more people of the same thinking!!). The other thing I'll add is I was asked questions, answered them, offered material to help and my answers and help were ignored, an incorrect story was run, therefore creating an apology, so why ask in the first place? As for the history being a bit complicated I don’t see how so, Geoffrey has the cars, built the cars, so surely his "story" is gospel? Also, these incorrect stories get regurgitated; just look on the Spa thread on here, the runner-up of the Sports Car race is apparently an ex-Marsh Plant car too!!
Anyway, back to Malcolm's E-Type, as it was a great beast and it's a shame there's not more stuff like this, almost a cross between SuperSaloons and Mod Sports and I hope the AMOC's new championship that started this year is able to attract some of these older beasts. I wonder if Mr Felstead can add anything about Nick Whale’s 911?
OT - As for the thread I agree this isn't the place but I do expect an article to be properly thoroughly researched before publishing it to the world (and yes, I do expect Autosport to get EVERYTHING correct, high standards I know and you should read the Autosport thread on Autosport Atlas for more people of the same thinking!!). The other thing I'll add is I was asked questions, answered them, offered material to help and my answers and help were ignored, an incorrect story was run, therefore creating an apology, so why ask in the first place? As for the history being a bit complicated I don’t see how so, Geoffrey has the cars, built the cars, so surely his "story" is gospel? Also, these incorrect stories get regurgitated; just look on the Spa thread on here, the runner-up of the Sports Car race is apparently an ex-Marsh Plant car too!!
Anyway, back to Malcolm's E-Type, as it was a great beast and it's a shame there's not more stuff like this, almost a cross between SuperSaloons and Mod Sports and I hope the AMOC's new championship that started this year is able to attract some of these older beasts. I wonder if Mr Felstead can add anything about Nick Whale’s 911?
Thanks, Gregor, will contact you shortly about Dubai!
As for the other issue we'll have to agree to disagree. For a start it was a news item subject to deadlines, not an article. There's a very big difference. Second there are issues, which make it not as simple as you suggest. Not sure about your reference to Spa but the Andy Jenkinson car is certainly ex Marshplant. That has never been disputed. Finally, anyone care to point me to a newspaper, or a magazine, weekly or monthly on any subject that is consistently 100% accurate? I think not, so why should Autosport be any different? It may be the ideal to strive for but expecting the mag (any mag) to achieve this is unrealistic, just as creating the perfect world is.
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
As for the David Ellis GT700R, it is a fantastic car but last time I spoke to David at the AMOC St John Horsfall meeting at Silverstone, he said it still needed a fair bit of sorting and was still not yet up to the pace of his old
earlier 'Yellow Peril' Aston V8 which surely tells a great deal about how competitive that old beast was!
As for the other issue we'll have to agree to disagree. For a start it was a news item subject to deadlines, not an article. There's a very big difference. Second there are issues, which make it not as simple as you suggest. Not sure about your reference to Spa but the Andy Jenkinson car is certainly ex Marshplant. That has never been disputed. Finally, anyone care to point me to a newspaper, or a magazine, weekly or monthly on any subject that is consistently 100% accurate? I think not, so why should Autosport be any different? It may be the ideal to strive for but expecting the mag (any mag) to achieve this is unrealistic, just as creating the perfect world is.
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
As for the David Ellis GT700R, it is a fantastic car but last time I spoke to David at the AMOC St John Horsfall meeting at Silverstone, he said it still needed a fair bit of sorting and was still not yet up to the pace of his old
earlier 'Yellow Peril' Aston V8 which surely tells a great deal about how competitive that old beast was!
Edited by DP215 on Thursday 2nd October 00:50
DP215 said:
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
The car does still exist and I believe it has been rebuilt, it's just living at the back of a garage collecting dust now.falcemob said:
DP215 said:
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
The car does still exist and I believe it has been rebuilt, it's just living at the back of a garage collecting dust now.ginettajoe said:
falcemob said:
DP215 said:
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
The car does still exist and I believe it has been rebuilt, it's just living at the back of a garage collecting dust now.ginettajoe said:
falcemob said:
DP215 said:
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
The car does still exist and I believe it has been rebuilt, it's just living at the back of a garage collecting dust now.
falcemob said:
ginettajoe said:
falcemob said:
DP215 said:
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
The car does still exist and I believe it has been rebuilt, it's just living at the back of a garage collecting dust now.Really do not get poeple that buy racers and no not race them - CRETINS. Our car is pretty much fixed bar final setup and testing now - roll on 09! I don't think I am ever destined to win a championship (I don't count a TR Class Championship win years back)!
ginettajoe said:
falcemob said:
DP215 said:
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
The car does still exist and I believe it has been rebuilt, it's just living at the back of a garage collecting dust now.jellison said:
falcemob said:
ginettajoe said:
falcemob said:
DP215 said:
Oversteerxj12 is right about the Hamilton E-type being very badly damaged at Oulton. I understand that the car still exists but whether a rebuild is ever likely to occur, is down to financial considerations as much as anything else.
The car does still exist and I believe it has been rebuilt, it's just living at the back of a garage collecting dust now.Pesky said:
ginettajoe said:
falcemob said:
DP215 said:
No, Malcolms car has recently been sold, .... I will find out more of its whereabouts,but I understand that the buyer is not a serious racer, more of a collector with plenty of disposable!!
Tell him to stick to racing his Elise, Howard!
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