Dutch Ultima builders?

[Puppetmaster]

Hi there!

We're gonna start our Ultima adventure next summer and we where wondering if there are any Dutch Ultima builders on this forum, which we can come in contact with?

We're planning to build a GTR with an American V8 (approx. 450 hp) engine.
Any hints and tips?

Thanks guys!

[GTRene]

Lotus dealer van der Kooi in Amsterdam is building a can-am Ultima you could give them a call...
Nice to hear someone else planning to do such job...Ow and Donkervoort "dealer" Albers in Drenthe? have sold 3 Ultima GTR cars about 2 years ago? and built one complete themselfs

here some links;

www.lotuscars.nl/site/main.php?page=nieuws&merknaam=Lotus&lang=nl&details=4

Lochem
Kwinkweerd 10
7241 CW LOCHEM
Tel: (0031) - (0) 573 255 933
Fax: (0031) - (0) 573 255 969

Amsterdam

Amsteldijk 52
1074 HX Amsterdam
Tel: (0031) - (0) 20 673 58 58
Fax: (0031) - (0) 20 673 35 55

E-mail:


[e-mail]

and from Albers;

www.autoalbers.nl/

en hier de oude link waar nog een beetje instaat;

www.rtl.nl/automotor/stapelopautos/tvprogramma/gow01_19.xml

GTRene

[Puppetmaster]

Thanks for the info!
Are there any Dutch Ultima builders on this forum?

[GTRene]

Yes also..a guy named joop...but he's a bit quiet lately, perhaps busy building it? I believe he's building one with a V10 BMW engine??try under search last six months and look for joop I believe his name is.
GTRene

[GTWayne]

This is not the first time I have run into Double Dutch here on this forum, but this time ,at least it is legitimate.

[steve_d]

Joop signs on here as Donkeasy and lives in Eindhoven
There is also Alfasteve is in Gronigen.

Steve

[donkeasy]

Ook goedemorgen,

Yes, it's been very busy, but not as much on the ultima as I wanted.

We have been building this from scratch: wheelsurf

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[GTWayne]

Do you plan to install a BMW V10 motor in this and if so, what trans-axle do you intend to use?

[GTRene]

donkeasy said:

Ook goedemorgen,

Yes, it's been very busy, but not as much on the ultima as I wanted.

We have been building this from scratch: wheelsurf

Hey Joop goedemorgen so your busy but not with the Ultima taht much but whit the wheelsurf?! I've seen those things(not the same but look alike's) many years ago strange looking silly things they could do races with them too, only when you fall over it does not look very good me thinks.

Anyway how far are you with the Ultima, can you give us a short update?
cheers
GTRene

Edited by GTRene on Sunday 10th September 10:26

[donkeasy]

I have a Audi/Lambo v10 and will use the G50 gearbox.
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[GTRene]

donkeasy said:

I have a Audi/Lambo v10 and will use the G50 gearbox.

Wow...think you are the first to use that engine in a Ultima GTR very very nice
good luck with that, can't wait to see and hear that car when its ready
Ow and I changed your link in the IMG link the one that is on top of your picture gallery in image pictures...you only have to copy that and not have to put [url] things then...simple.
have fun Joop.
GTRene

Edited by GTRene on Sunday 10th September 11:28

Edited by GTRene on Sunday 10th September 11:29

[donkeasy]

thx rene

[V8 VUM]

Joop,

Hi there old chap!

Was your Audi-V10 engine hard to find? Was it new or out of something?
What bhp etc do you expect from it?

Are you doing the work yourself or do you have some audi experts on hand?

cheers

keith

[donkeasy]

I bought the engine from Kronenburg motorsport in Geldrop (netherlands)
It's around the corner and he often does/have engines for me.
Because I used to build my own engines before I have a good understanding with the guys there.
They also have their own motormanagement system (KMS) witch is good and affordeble.
The V10 is a testengine from the factory.
He often buys 50 to 100 engiines there, lots of v8 too.
And there was also (my) V10 laying there.

Were going to open it next week.
I want to put quicker camshafts and 10 trottlebodies on it.
nice exhaust and no enviramental stuf on it must bring 550, I gues.

[Puppetmaster]

But don't you have a problem with Dutch MOT? Because there doesn't seem to be any place for a "katalysator" (what's the english word for that?).
What kind of performance will you be looking at?

Can anybody tell us how does it work with "BPM" in the Netherlands? Because it seems to me that you'll need to get a SVA test in the UK and then import the car to the Netherlands. Then, you're obliged to pay BPM, right? How much will this be and how do they define it's value?

[donkeasy]

Puppetmaster said:

But don't you have a problem with Dutch MOT? Because there doesn't seem to be any place for a "katalysator" (what's the english word for that?).
What kind of performance will you be looking at?

Can anybody tell us how does it work with "BPM" in the Netherlands? Because it seems to me that you'll need to get a SVA test in the UK and then import the car to the Netherlands. Then, you're obliged to pay BPM, right? How much will this be and how do they define it's value?

Call the RDW in Veendam

[striker 20v]

Just keep all "bonnetjes" for the stuff you bought in holland, you've allready paid Tax on those parts so they can't by law quote that for BPM, the best way to get around this is to only have to pay tax for the chassis and body kit, which is the car Law wise, that would save you a shed load of money, if you use a used engine and box purchased abroad, make sure you pay Parts tax on that 4% and keep all paperwork assoiciated with it, take all the stuff to customs when applying for plates, and have everything on show appart from the parts you purchased at ultima you'll have to have the bill from ultima which states the exact amount of money spend there, and if they're willing they should let you get away with paying BPM over the Ultima parts alone. This way is not illegal but requires a shedload of work, but can save you an enourmous amount of money.

there are numorous folks at the dutch kitcar club (www.kitcarclub.nl) which have gone this route who will be very happy to give the advise you need to stay legal but not pay to much tax.

if you want info from guys who know their stuff around BPM SVA and the dutch RDW contact www.speedon.nl they do Intermechanica, Raw engineering, Gardner Douglas and others. ask for Mischa or Bas.

grtz Thomas

[v8 vum]

Donkeasy,

So the v10 fits the Ultima chassis ok? Much in the way of mods needed?

I am now at the point in my build where I have to settle on an engine myself!

Obviously the simplest solution would be the LS7, and I am sure it would be a good choice...but.....I really would prefer a shorter stroke, higher revving engine.

The V10 is interesting, but now I have bought the Reg plate V8 VUM, I have a bit of a problem!!!!

Since I have had AMG Mercs in the past and found the engines to be virtually bullet-proof, I have to say I wish I could source a good AMG engine for my project, but they seem hugely expensive in the UK, and I cannot seem to find anyone expert in AMG engines here that will help with the project....
Don't even know if they would fit!

Any ideas or contacts would be gratefully receieved!

Good luck on your project!

Keith

[donkeasy]

I think the MB-AMG E55 or E65 way is very good,
if you look in my old foruminputs there is a lot of info.
These engines are not very expensive, and very relaible.
I didnot choose for them because I preffered the high revsound.

Good luck and remember:
There is no wrong choise, only......

Joop

Edited by donkeasy on Tuesday 31st October 18:26