The Apprentice 2014.......................
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RichB said:
djdestiny said:
It might of been cheap, that that was what made it so successful!
He undercut the price of an IBM/compatible by a huge amount, pretty much brought CB to the Uk, the Midi system, tape to tape copying and many other things
Not denying any of that, just saying it was cheap tat. He undercut the price of an IBM/compatible by a huge amount, pretty much brought CB to the Uk, the Midi system, tape to tape copying and many other things
BUT It showed the other manufacturers that you can build cheap working products. I think if it was not for Amstrad we would have still been paying thousands for a PC.
Le Pop said:
Well I'm bloody annoyed about the skeleton (Sugar's being an absolute knob) but how he can penalise them for the rope is farcical. If he ordered 50000 transistors and they had sent him 60000 would he have cancelled the contract? 4rse.
I too am puzzled over the skeleton. It met the specification. If that specification was inadequate based on AMS saying "I meant......." - then that's his problem not the teams.One of the biggest issues I face in my job is people not specifying business or user requirements adequately - it seems even the big boys with years in business can still make this trivial mistake.
AMS is forever telling people to "think outside the box". This is probably one of the best examples I have seen on the Apprentice of somebody doing just that - and they get crucified for it.
Moonhawk said:
I too am puzzled over the skeleton. It met the specification. If that specification was inadequate based on AMS saying "I meant......." - then that's his problem not the teams.
One of the biggest issues I face in my job is people not specifying business or user requirements adequately - it seems even the big boys with years in business can still make this trivial mistake.
AMS is forever telling people to "think outside the box". This is probably one of the best examples I have seen on the Apprentice of somebody doing just that - and they get crucified for it.
Surely the fact that the skeleton wasnt put together is a problem? If you ordered a car and they delivered a load of parts in a box surely you'd not be happy? I've read a few reviews of that skeleton and it sounds like it is a nightmare to put together.One of the biggest issues I face in my job is people not specifying business or user requirements adequately - it seems even the big boys with years in business can still make this trivial mistake.
AMS is forever telling people to "think outside the box". This is probably one of the best examples I have seen on the Apprentice of somebody doing just that - and they get crucified for it.
I'd have been very annoyed if I'd ordered a skeleton and been given some cardboard.
Only once has someone delivered something to me that didn't work and their salesman claimed it met spec. Whilst there might have been some legal argument it was ok their engineer agreed that a mistake had been made and it was crap. There's few things lower than claiming something is ok on a technicality. They sorted things very quickly after a little leaning on.
Only once has someone delivered something to me that didn't work and their salesman claimed it met spec. Whilst there might have been some legal argument it was ok their engineer agreed that a mistake had been made and it was crap. There's few things lower than claiming something is ok on a technicality. They sorted things very quickly after a little leaning on.
Sarkmeister said:
Surely the fact that the skeleton wasnt put together is a problem? If you ordered a car and they delivered a load of parts in a box surely you'd not be happy? I've read a few reviews of that skeleton and it sounds like it is a nightmare to put together.
IIRC the specification said it must be a 1.8m skeleton. The skeleton would be 1.8m, so that is still in accordance with the specifications....Jasandjules said:
IIRC the specification said it must be a 1.8m skeleton. The skeleton would be 1.8m, so that is still in accordance with the specifications....
If you put it together, but they didnt. As it stands its a few bits of cardboard that needs cleverly folding and piecing together. It's about 5 or 6 hours working according to the reviews on amazon.Sarkmeister said:
If you put it together, but they didnt. As it stands its a few bits of cardboard that needs cleverly folding and piecing together. It's about 5 or 6 hours working according to the reviews on amazon.
No, it doesn't say it has BE Standing 1.8m tall, but must be a 1.8m Skeleton. Which this was.Jasandjules said:
No, it doesn't say it has BE Standing 1.8m tall, but must be a 1.8m Skeleton. Which this was.
The instruction was for an anatomical skeleton, which the cardboard one definitely wasn't, although it was advertised as having anatomical tags.There was a lack of attention to detail by the buying team, and by Sugar and Nick in explaining why the cardboard one wasn't allowed.
I think the losing team should have immediately set about on negotiating the level of penalty. It was one slip up, and the team still came in on time with all items bought. They were far less of a disaster than the winning team imo.
Sarkmeister said:
Surely the fact that the skeleton wasnt put together is a problem? If you ordered a car and they delivered a load of parts in a box surely you'd not be happy? I've read a few reviews of that skeleton and it sounds like it is a nightmare to put together.
Why is it a problem that the skeleton required assembly - many things that we buy for our homes require some form of assembly, from furniture, white goods to toys. With furniture you often pay more for things that come pre-built. The type of skeleton that the other team bought probably requires some form of assembly in it's normal state. It's unlikely many people buy the pre built shop display model. See the link below for a representative skeleton which states "manual assembly".
http://www.inds.co.uk/anatomy/itempage.php?itemcod...
If you sent somebody out to buy "cheap wardrobes" - they'll likely come back with an Ikea flat packed black ash plastic veneer over wood chip effort as opposed to hand crafted Willis and Gambia solid Hevea wood ones.
Again this comes down to correctly specifying your requirements against your expectations. If you tasked somebody with simply finding the cheapest, new track car available - should you be surprised if they come back with a Caterham in a box? If you expect the vehicle to be "road ready" - that should form part of your requirements.
Edited by Moonhawk on Tuesday 9th December 14:01
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