Westworld (NO SPOILERS)
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Guvernator said:
walm said:
Lili Simmons.
So happy.
Is this because you are hoping she is going to be a host getting lots of interrogation time? So happy.
Frankly, they could save some writing costs by having a new sheriff arrive in town who is actually an ex-con, in love with an unhappily married housewife/psycho safe-cracker but willing to be seduced by the local mobster's niece/lover.
Oakey said:
There really are going to be some disappointed people here when it turns out Bernard is based on Arnold and the multiple timeframe theories come true (it's three time frames btw)
Someone else mentioned three.1. William and Logan and Dolores.
2. MiB and Teddy and Dolores - which is the same time as Bernard, Theresa, Hannibal, English-t
t and Security McUseless. (Since they had to approve the MiB exploding cigar... right?)3. Maeve with Glen and Ginger-beard?
Are those the ones suggested?
No.
1. Dolores and 'Bernard' (Arnold) interviews in the basement. 35yrs prior to present
2. Dolores and William. 30yrs prior to present
3. MiB timeline. Present
But then there are also a number flashbacks;
Dolores flashback in the William timeframe to the 'incident'
MiB's flashback in the present timeframe to killing Maeve and her daughter a year prior (after his wife dies)
Teddy's flashback in the present timeframe to the 'incident' (his 'Wyatt' backstory)
Maeve's flashback in the present timeframe to being killed by the MiB a year prior to becoming the Madam at the Mariposa
1. Dolores and 'Bernard' (Arnold) interviews in the basement. 35yrs prior to present
2. Dolores and William. 30yrs prior to present
3. MiB timeline. Present
But then there are also a number flashbacks;
Dolores flashback in the William timeframe to the 'incident'
MiB's flashback in the present timeframe to killing Maeve and her daughter a year prior (after his wife dies)
Teddy's flashback in the present timeframe to the 'incident' (his 'Wyatt' backstory)
Maeve's flashback in the present timeframe to being killed by the MiB a year prior to becoming the Madam at the Mariposa
Oakey said:
No.
1. Dolores and 'Bernard' (Arnold) interviews in the basement. 35yrs prior to present
2. Dolores and William. 30yrs prior to present
3. MiB timeline. Present
But then there are also a number flashbacks;
Dolores flashback in the William timeframe to the 'incident'
MiB's flashback in the present timeframe to killing Maeve and her daughter a year prior (after his wife dies)
Teddy's flashback in the present timeframe to the 'incident' (his 'Wyatt' backstory)
Maeve's flashback in the present timeframe to being killed by the MiB a year prior to becoming the Madam at the Mariposa
Where do you get the 35 years and 30 years periods from? All possible but it's not fact, just your theory, ultimately. Add it to the pile of theories. Wouldn't be surprised if someone hasn't created allwestworldtheorieshere.com yet... 1. Dolores and 'Bernard' (Arnold) interviews in the basement. 35yrs prior to present
2. Dolores and William. 30yrs prior to present
3. MiB timeline. Present
But then there are also a number flashbacks;
Dolores flashback in the William timeframe to the 'incident'
MiB's flashback in the present timeframe to killing Maeve and her daughter a year prior (after his wife dies)
Teddy's flashback in the present timeframe to the 'incident' (his 'Wyatt' backstory)
Maeve's flashback in the present timeframe to being killed by the MiB a year prior to becoming the Madam at the Mariposa
Flip Martian said:
Where do you get the 35 years and 30 years periods from? All possible but it's not fact, just your theory, ultimately. Add it to the pile of theories. Wouldn't be surprised if someone hasn't created allwestworldtheorieshere.com yet...
Ford asks Dolores when the last time she spoke to Arnold was, she replies "34yrs, 42 days and 7 hours ago". 'Bernard' in the basement is wearing different clothes to the ones we always see Bernard wearing when we see him with Ford strongly implying it's not Bernard but actually Arnold.
That puts the timeframe that Dolores and 'Bernard' were talking in the basement around 35 years ago.
We know the park had an incident some 30 years ago because they keep telling us about it. Dolores was part of this, hence the flashbacks.
We also know the MiB has been coming to the park for 30 years which would put the William timeframe 30 years prior to the MiB's.
Oakey said:
Ford asks Dolores when the last time she spoke to Arnold was, she replies "34yrs, 42 days and 7 hours ago".
'Bernard' in the basement is wearing different clothes to the ones we always see Bernard wearing when we see him with Ford strongly implying it's not Bernard but actually Arnold.
That puts the timeframe that Dolores and 'Bernard' were talking in the basement around 35 years ago.
We know the park had an incident some 30 years ago because they keep telling us about it. Dolores was part of this, hence the flashbacks.
We also know the MiB has been coming to the park for 30 years which would put the William timeframe 30 years prior to the MiB's.
Wow someone's paying attention! As a previous poster said, there is so much going on I can barely remember anyone's name let alone small details like this. Will definitely need a binge re-watch at some point.'Bernard' in the basement is wearing different clothes to the ones we always see Bernard wearing when we see him with Ford strongly implying it's not Bernard but actually Arnold.
That puts the timeframe that Dolores and 'Bernard' were talking in the basement around 35 years ago.
We know the park had an incident some 30 years ago because they keep telling us about it. Dolores was part of this, hence the flashbacks.
We also know the MiB has been coming to the park for 30 years which would put the William timeframe 30 years prior to the MiB's.
Oakey said:
There really are going to be some disappointed people here when it turns out Bernard is based on Arnold and the multiple timeframe theories come true (it's three time frames btw)
I think we can be confident Bernard is Arnold, but that doesn't _prove_ two time lines. Ill be chuffed I was fooled not disappointedOakey said:
Ford asks Dolores when the last time she spoke to Arnold was, she replies "34yrs, 42 days and 7 hours ago".
'Bernard' in the basement is wearing different clothes to the ones we always see Bernard wearing when we see him with Ford strongly implying it's not Bernard but actually Arnold.
That puts the timeframe that Dolores and 'Bernard' were talking in the basement around 35 years ago.
We know the park had an incident some 30 years ago because they keep telling us about it. Dolores was part of this, hence the flashbacks.
We also know the MiB has been coming to the park for 30 years which would put the William timeframe 30 years prior to the MiB's.
You either have them all saved or you've been making notes! 'Bernard' in the basement is wearing different clothes to the ones we always see Bernard wearing when we see him with Ford strongly implying it's not Bernard but actually Arnold.
That puts the timeframe that Dolores and 'Bernard' were talking in the basement around 35 years ago.
We know the park had an incident some 30 years ago because they keep telling us about it. Dolores was part of this, hence the flashbacks.
We also know the MiB has been coming to the park for 30 years which would put the William timeframe 30 years prior to the MiB's.
You might well be right (and as you're a host, I'm not going to argue ) But just a couple of things...The incident that took place "about 30 years ago" was therefore nearer 35 years ago - ie just after the last time she spoke to Arnold (we assume). But that incident - when it was referred to in the early episode - was then referred to by Nolan as a "nod" to the original film. The Dolores incident we saw the flashback of might again be a red herring. Although I may be giving the scriptwriters too much credit; that whole Maeve/asian tech guy dynamic is nonsensical to me, so it may be more straight forward than I'm imagining.
Edited by Flip Martian on Thursday 24th November 19:38
To revisit an earlier scene- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufVA-sUIMHs
That truly is astounding acting, genuinely feels like you're watching an android.
The bit at 3:11 could be another hint to Bernard being an Arnold clone, in retrospect.
That truly is astounding acting, genuinely feels like you're watching an android.
The bit at 3:11 could be another hint to Bernard being an Arnold clone, in retrospect.
walm said:
Basically a summary of assumptions many are now making on here then. I really find it unbelievable though that (assuming William is MiB), MiB would have been quite so violent with Dolores in Ep 1 (however bad he is) and also that after 30 years, he'd have immediately recognised Angela as the host that got him togged up in a cowboy outfit when he first came to the park.
Patrick Bateman said:
On the face of it I'd think that but then try and imagine going to a place like that for the first time.
Fair point, and she was rather stunning.But considering his feelings for Dolores, unless she goes totally screwy and tries to kill him, I don't see how MiB would treat her that badly 30 years later - with the inference in Ep 1 being that it wasn't the first time he'd visited her parents and her and shot them up.
On a different tack, FINALLY the return of the guy playing Peter Abernathy in Ep 1. Excellent. Probably the only bit of the series I've been able to second guess - when Hale and Sizemore opened the basement door, I thought "bet they're going for the Abernathy guy". Except its not Abernathy now, obviously.
Flip Martian said:
Basically a summary of assumptions many are now making on here then.
I really find it unbelievable though that (assuming William is MiB), MiB would have been quite so violent with Dolores in Ep 1 (however bad he is) and also that after 30 years, he'd have immediately recognised Angela as the host that got him togged up in a cowboy outfit when he first came to the park.
Why wouldn't he remember the first host he ever met?I really find it unbelievable though that (assuming William is MiB), MiB would have been quite so violent with Dolores in Ep 1 (however bad he is) and also that after 30 years, he'd have immediately recognised Angela as the host that got him togged up in a cowboy outfit when he first came to the park.
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