Westworld (NO SPOILERS)
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Flip Martian said:
Basically a summary of assumptions many are now making on here then.
I really find it unbelievable though that (assuming William is MiB), MiB would have been quite so violent with Dolores in Ep 1 (however bad he is) and also that after 30 years, he'd have immediately recognised Angela as the host that got him togged up in a cowboy outfit when he first came to the park.
Its things like this that will leave me disappointed if it turns out the multiple timeline theory is right. It seems in the westworld universe, the only thing that denotes a passage of a huge amount of time, is that one guy gets enough wrinkles to make him look nothing like he used to look. Nothing else changes at all... I really find it unbelievable though that (assuming William is MiB), MiB would have been quite so violent with Dolores in Ep 1 (however bad he is) and also that after 30 years, he'd have immediately recognised Angela as the host that got him togged up in a cowboy outfit when he first came to the park.
35 years ago the park is being developed and Arnold and Ford fall out over just how 'human' the hosts are allowed to become and how much memory, emotion and love they are allowed to have. Arnold has systems that can leave hosts with real emotions and memories, but Ford realises the park cannot exist with hosts like this, they must be rebootable to follow the guest's storylines everyday.. Ford kills off Arnold during the slaughter at the town, which is then filled over to cover it all up.
30 years ago William (white hat man) enters park and falls in love with Dolores in who he sees some spark of 'life', a glimmer of real emotion. His time in that trip ends with the death of Dolores in the river and he returns to 'normal' life feeling that his existence in the real world is unfulfilled. He makes a lot of money, takes over the company and possibly even buys the park. He starts to revisit the park to see if he can find Dolores and realises that he cannot overcome the programming and make Dolores truly love him in return. He spends years revisiting the park slowly becoming more desperate each time to do something to spark so real emotion in the hosts, he finally sees it when he kills Maeve and her daughter a year ago and starts to realise that some of the older hosts can be 'shocked' into real AI and emotions.
Now in the present he is back in the park hunting Dolores down so he can try and shock her into sentience by killing her father, raping her, and generally being a complete b
d! 
His reason for revisiting the park though , after the first visit, is to work out how to make Dolores love him, as he truly loves her like no other real woman he has ever met.
30 years ago William (white hat man) enters park and falls in love with Dolores in who he sees some spark of 'life', a glimmer of real emotion. His time in that trip ends with the death of Dolores in the river and he returns to 'normal' life feeling that his existence in the real world is unfulfilled. He makes a lot of money, takes over the company and possibly even buys the park. He starts to revisit the park to see if he can find Dolores and realises that he cannot overcome the programming and make Dolores truly love him in return. He spends years revisiting the park slowly becoming more desperate each time to do something to spark so real emotion in the hosts, he finally sees it when he kills Maeve and her daughter a year ago and starts to realise that some of the older hosts can be 'shocked' into real AI and emotions.
Now in the present he is back in the park hunting Dolores down so he can try and shock her into sentience by killing her father, raping her, and generally being a complete b
d! His reason for revisiting the park though , after the first visit, is to work out how to make Dolores love him, as he truly loves her like no other real woman he has ever met.
Piersman2 said:
35 years ago the park is being developed and Arnold and Ford fall out over just how 'human' the hosts are allowed to become and how much memory, emotion and love they are allowed to have. Arnold has systems that can leave hosts with real emotions and memories, but Ford realises the park cannot exist with hosts like this, they must be rebootable to follow the guest's storylines everyday.. Ford kills off Arnold during the slaughter at the town, which is then filled over to cover it all up.
30 years ago William (white hat man) enters park and falls in love with Dolores in who he sees some spark of 'life', a glimmer of real emotion. His time in that trip ends with the death of Dolores in the river and he returns to 'normal' life feeling that his existence in the real world is unfulfilled. He makes a lot of money, takes over the company and possibly even buys the park. He starts to revisit the park to see if he can find Dolores and realises that he cannot overcome the programming and make Dolores truly love him in return. He spends years revisiting the park slowly becoming more desperate each time to do something to spark so real emotion in the hosts, he finally sees it when he kills Maeve and her daughter a year ago and starts to realise that some of the older hosts can be 'shocked' into real AI and emotions.
Now in the present he is back in the park hunting Dolores down so he can try and shock her into sentience by killing her father, raping her, and generally being a complete bd!
His reason for revisiting the park though , after the first visit, is to work out how to make Dolores love him, as he truly loves her like no other real woman he has ever met.
All plausible (in a not real life way!) except if he takes over the park, why would he need to revisit it time and again and search for Dolores in an effort to 'wake her up' again. Wouldn't there be an easier way for him to do that if he owned the place?30 years ago William (white hat man) enters park and falls in love with Dolores in who he sees some spark of 'life', a glimmer of real emotion. His time in that trip ends with the death of Dolores in the river and he returns to 'normal' life feeling that his existence in the real world is unfulfilled. He makes a lot of money, takes over the company and possibly even buys the park. He starts to revisit the park to see if he can find Dolores and realises that he cannot overcome the programming and make Dolores truly love him in return. He spends years revisiting the park slowly becoming more desperate each time to do something to spark so real emotion in the hosts, he finally sees it when he kills Maeve and her daughter a year ago and starts to realise that some of the older hosts can be 'shocked' into real AI and emotions.
Now in the present he is back in the park hunting Dolores down so he can try and shock her into sentience by killing her father, raping her, and generally being a complete b
d! His reason for revisiting the park though , after the first visit, is to work out how to make Dolores love him, as he truly loves her like no other real woman he has ever met.
walm said:
Very good summary of everythingtrooperiziz said:
Its things like this that will leave me disappointed if it turns out the multiple timeline theory is right. It seems in the westworld universe, the only thing that denotes a passage of a huge amount of time, is that one guy gets enough wrinkles to make him look nothing like he used to look. Nothing else changes at all...
Yeah I would agree with that. Hoping there's rather more to it.
Oakey said:
No.
1. Dolores and 'Bernard' (Arnold) interviews in the basement. 35yrs prior to present
2. Dolores and William. 30yrs prior to present
3. MiB timeline. Present
But then there are also a number flashbacks;
Dolores flashback in the William timeframe to the 'incident'
MiB's flashback in the present timeframe to killing Maeve and her daughter a year prior (after his wife dies)
Teddy's flashback in the present timeframe to the 'incident' (his 'Wyatt' backstory)
Maeve's flashback in the present timeframe to being killed by the MiB a year prior to becoming the Madam at the Mariposa
This helps clear up what I was wondering about DOlores flashback when she was with Good guy white hat face Will.1. Dolores and 'Bernard' (Arnold) interviews in the basement. 35yrs prior to present
2. Dolores and William. 30yrs prior to present
3. MiB timeline. Present
But then there are also a number flashbacks;
Dolores flashback in the William timeframe to the 'incident'
MiB's flashback in the present timeframe to killing Maeve and her daughter a year prior (after his wife dies)
Teddy's flashback in the present timeframe to the 'incident' (his 'Wyatt' backstory)
Maeve's flashback in the present timeframe to being killed by the MiB a year prior to becoming the Madam at the Mariposa
But then black hat baddie heel t
tbeard shows up...shizz gets real.bexVN said:
All plausible (in a not real life way!) except if he takes over the park, why would he need to revisit it time and again and search for Dolores in an effort to 'wake her up' again. Wouldn't there be an easier way for him to do that if he owned the place?
We've seen that the park is Ford's own personal fiefdom, where the board have little of any power at all.Piersman2 said:
35 years ago the park is being developed and Arnold and Ford fall out over just how 'human' the hosts are allowed to become and how much memory, emotion and love they are allowed to have. Arnold has systems that can leave hosts with real emotions and memories, but Ford realises the park cannot exist with hosts like this, they must be rebootable to follow the guest's storylines everyday.. Ford kills off Arnold during the slaughter at the town, which is then filled over to cover it all up.
30 years ago William (white hat man) enters park and falls in love with Dolores in who he sees some spark of 'life', a glimmer of real emotion. His time in that trip ends with the death of Dolores in the river and he returns to 'normal' life feeling that his existence in the real world is unfulfilled. He makes a lot of money, takes over the company and possibly even buys the park. He starts to revisit the park to see if he can find Dolores and realises that he cannot overcome the programming and make Dolores truly love him in return. He spends years revisiting the park slowly becoming more desperate each time to do something to spark so real emotion in the hosts, he finally sees it when he kills Maeve and her daughter a year ago and starts to realise that some of the older hosts can be 'shocked' into real AI and emotions.
Now in the present he is back in the park hunting Dolores down so he can try and shock her into sentience by killing her father, raping her, and generally being a complete bd!
His reason for revisiting the park though , after the first visit, is to work out how to make Dolores love him, as he truly loves her like no other real woman he has ever met.
brilliant. 30 years ago William (white hat man) enters park and falls in love with Dolores in who he sees some spark of 'life', a glimmer of real emotion. His time in that trip ends with the death of Dolores in the river and he returns to 'normal' life feeling that his existence in the real world is unfulfilled. He makes a lot of money, takes over the company and possibly even buys the park. He starts to revisit the park to see if he can find Dolores and realises that he cannot overcome the programming and make Dolores truly love him in return. He spends years revisiting the park slowly becoming more desperate each time to do something to spark so real emotion in the hosts, he finally sees it when he kills Maeve and her daughter a year ago and starts to realise that some of the older hosts can be 'shocked' into real AI and emotions.
Now in the present he is back in the park hunting Dolores down so he can try and shock her into sentience by killing her father, raping her, and generally being a complete b
d! His reason for revisiting the park though , after the first visit, is to work out how to make Dolores love him, as he truly loves her like no other real woman he has ever met.
DSLiverpool said:
Sorry but this stinks of "LOST" and making stuff up on the hoof and even reacting to what the viewers think for future story direction.
Abrams is lauded by some but seen through by others.
Just catching up on this thread but had to quote this. Westworld has been in production for years, some of it was shot several years ago.Abrams is lauded by some but seen through by others.
There is no possible way a show of this scale can react to viewers on a weekly basis, it would probably take at least 12 months to put it on a new course based on viewer feedback.
ukaskew said:
Just catching up on this thread but had to quote this. Westworld has been in production for years, some of it was shot several years ago.
There is no possible way a show of this scale can react to viewers on a weekly basis, it would probably take at least 12 months to put it on a new course based on viewer feedback.
Yeah the last bit of filming in season 1 was done quite some time ago too. Long before transmission.There is no possible way a show of this scale can react to viewers on a weekly basis, it would probably take at least 12 months to put it on a new course based on viewer feedback.
Halb said:
Oh ffs, I normally watch Marr, but decided not to get up to watch him this morning!
The Westworld bit was incidental really - Harris is in a play in the West End until February, it was mainly about that. Only really talked a bit about MiB as a character - nothing we don't know - apart from mentioning what was in the spoiler. He was sporting a beanie hat and a grey beard.Harris was, not Marr...
Some dull logistical concerns I have:
1. Bernarnold - This guy gets one of the top jobs in what is a very high security facility, but presumably doesn't have great references given that he's a replicant. Was he a real guy in the outside world who worked at Disney for years making animatronic Darth Vaders, got a job at Westworld and then was quietly knocked off and 'cloned' by Hannibal? If not, I have serious concerns about the Westworld recruitment safeguards.
2. All the main central workshop facilities are in clear view behind glass, yet Glenn and Sweary McSwearface can spend hours talking to Thandie's Newtons, letting her play on the iPad etc without anyone noticing or caring? I work with the data of a few thousand students and the audit trails will flag anomalies in data manipulation etc easily, yet a company that has thousands of Johnny 5s has no basic audit checks? I have serious concerns about staff morale and the Westworld whistle blowing policy.
3. That many escalators running 24/7? C'mon. At least make them motion activated, I presume an environment worth saving still exists, and any sensible person is going to take the lift anyway unless the director wants a dramatic interior shot.
4. The Bill & Ted lifts that magic staff to any part of the park (that would appear to be hundreds of square miles) from the central hub. Do they have a vast subway network connecting them all together? Seems like an elegant but inefficient way of reaching the park interior out of sight from guests on the rare occasion techs need to access the park in daylight.
1. Bernarnold - This guy gets one of the top jobs in what is a very high security facility, but presumably doesn't have great references given that he's a replicant. Was he a real guy in the outside world who worked at Disney for years making animatronic Darth Vaders, got a job at Westworld and then was quietly knocked off and 'cloned' by Hannibal? If not, I have serious concerns about the Westworld recruitment safeguards.
2. All the main central workshop facilities are in clear view behind glass, yet Glenn and Sweary McSwearface can spend hours talking to Thandie's Newtons, letting her play on the iPad etc without anyone noticing or caring? I work with the data of a few thousand students and the audit trails will flag anomalies in data manipulation etc easily, yet a company that has thousands of Johnny 5s has no basic audit checks? I have serious concerns about staff morale and the Westworld whistle blowing policy.
3. That many escalators running 24/7? C'mon. At least make them motion activated, I presume an environment worth saving still exists, and any sensible person is going to take the lift anyway unless the director wants a dramatic interior shot.
4. The Bill & Ted lifts that magic staff to any part of the park (that would appear to be hundreds of square miles) from the central hub. Do they have a vast subway network connecting them all together? Seems like an elegant but inefficient way of reaching the park interior out of sight from guests on the rare occasion techs need to access the park in daylight.
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