Harry's Garage - YouTube

[trickywoo]

2 GKC said:

DuncanM said:

Never mind the leather oil filter cover, I note that "the 911" is now "911".

How many others on here, struggle with the anthropomorphism of inanimate objects?

Irritates me too. He does it with all models.

Russell Bulgin (motoring journalist, RIP) was the first time I was exposed to that style. It’s funny how irritating it can be. For some reason it isn’t that big a thing for me when it’s spoken but in text referring to Fiesta, for example, really irked me.

[RichB]

DonkeyApple said:

<clip> ... Even the PR plonkers keep forgetting as occurred in one of the more recent videos, if I recall, regarding an Aston...

Aston Martin, or rather Marek Reichman does it all the time...

[pneumothorax]

Not sure what all the fuss is about with these 964 resto's. I had a C2 Manual back in the day and imo it didn't need anything doing to it, save for a pending engine rebuild. In fact, mine was with a well known specialist when the Singer's first came out and he had one in for some snagging, cannot say that I desired it over and above what I had (which was worth circa £12k at the time)

964's do not need upgrading.

[RichardHMorris]

E90_M3Ross said:

What exactly are they suing them for!? Modifying someone's car?!

I think it's just the Dakar monstrosity.

[CLK-GTR]

You could get some really special cars for that money.

I could be miles off but I think the **** will fall out of the restomod market at some point. Theyre not original, they have no history, no racing background, no provenance of any kind, why exactly would you pay the best part of a million quid for them other than to say you paid the best part of a million quid for them?

[E90_M3Ross]

CLK-GTR said:

You could get some really special cars for that money.

I could be miles off but I think the **** will fall out of the restomod market at some point. Theyre not original, they have no history, no racing background, no provenance of any kind, why exactly would you pay the best part of a million quid for them other than to say you paid the best part of a million quid for them?

Judging by Harry's review you'd pay to get an example that drives better?

[ArgonautX]

Ruf SCR would be my choice for that price.

[Mezzanine]

thegreenhell said:

You could get an original 2.7 RS and a 964 RS for the price of one of these.

When you put it like that…

Mind you I suppose most potential customers for the Theon have probably got both of those in the garage already so…

It’s a lot of man hours on a British wage so that price comes from somewhere. I don’t think they (yet) have the brand recognition of Singer so resale is going to hurt somewhat.

If I was paying £29k for a gearbox, I would also expect it to not be a bit sloppy - at this price, everything should be perfection.

[CLK-GTR]

E90_M3Ross said:

Judging by Harry's review you'd pay to get an example that drives better?

If I wanted a Porsche and had unlimited funds I'd prefer to get the best example of the real thing. If you want something that drives differently then buy something else?

[E90_M3Ross]

CLK-GTR said:

If I wanted a Porsche and had unlimited funds I'd prefer to get the best example of the real thing. If you want something that drives differently then buy something else?

And if you wanted one that looked like a Porsche and had unlimited funds and didn't care about the cost, and will have it alongside many other cars?

[Rumdoodle]

trickywoo said:

2 GKC said:

DuncanM said:

Never mind the leather oil filter cover, I note that "the 911" is now "911".

How many others on here, struggle with the anthropomorphism of inanimate objects?

Irritates me too. He does it with all models.

Russell Bulgin (motoring journalist, RIP) was the first time I was exposed to that style. It’s funny how irritating it can be. For some reason it isn’t that big a thing for me when it’s spoken but in text referring to Fiesta, for example, really irked me.

Yes, I'm sure it was quite commonly used in Car magazine forty years ago. It's definitely not a new thing.

[soxboy]

trickywoo said:

Russell Bulgin (motoring journalist, RIP) was the first time I was exposed to that style. It’s funny how irritating it can be. For some reason it isn’t that big a thing for me when it’s spoken but in text referring to Fiesta, for example, really irked me.

Surely ‘Fiesta’ without a definite article before it is a magazine rather than a car?

[DonkeyApple]

E90_M3Ross said:

And if you wanted one that looked like a Porsche and had unlimited funds and didn't care about the cost, and will have it alongside many other cars?

I find porches to be generally rather uninteresting. I liked this restomod and can see the appeal. It appeared very well done and the cabin looked to have been trimmed well. The price is pretty irrelevant in my he cold, hard light of day as it's just going to be some spare money opposed to life savings and whether it retains its price isn't going to be important.

[CLK-GTR]

E90_M3Ross said:

And if you wanted one that looked like a Porsche and had unlimited funds and didn't care about the cost, and will have it alongside many other cars?

That's fine but it's just a modified car. It's the trying to turn them into something more that I dont get.

[Purosangue]

CLK-GTR said:

E90_M3Ross said:

And if you wanted one that looked like a Porsche and had unlimited funds and didn't care about the cost, and will have it alongside many other cars?

That's fine but it's just a modified car. It's the trying to turn them into something more that I dont get.

Its very subjective , never had a 911 but would love an old 70s 930 turbo , Now you can have one at silly money £130k , but its still a 1970s car with 1970s wiring and Rust and sooner or later its going to let you down , you will be disappointed ,

These bespoke car makers , Like Singer , Eagle E types , MST etc Have cottoned on to uprating the technology that goes into these cars , Remember Ric Wood Capri racer and car builder on a Car SOS episode telling Fuzz , I can rebuild a mk1 Capri that is better than an RS3100. It was the best they could do in 1973 ..Today I can make it far better

My 1965 E type ,a fantastic driving experience but needs constant fettling ........... Would I prefer an Eagle E type ..If I had the money .......Absolutely . more reliable , more power , better brakes , a better driving experience all round.

Like Clarkson said The difference between the DB9 and the DBS apart from £60k ......... every little part is just a little bit better , and thats why people buy these cars

[Skeptisk]

Purosangue said:

CLK-GTR said:

E90_M3Ross said:

And if you wanted one that looked like a Porsche and had unlimited funds and didn't care about the cost, and will have it alongside many other cars?

That's fine but it's just a modified car. It's the trying to turn them into something more that I dont get.

Its very subjective , never had a 911 but would love an old 70s 930 turbo , Now you can have one at silly money £130k , but its still a 1970s car with 1970s wiring and Rust and sooner or later its going to let you down , you will be disappointed ,

These bespoke car makers , Like Singer , Eagle E types , MST etc Have cottoned on to uprating the technology that goes into these cars , Remember Ric Wood Capri racer and car builder on a Car SOS episode telling Fuzz , I can rebuild a mk1 Capri that is better than an RS3100. It was the best they could do in 1973 ..Today I can make it far better

My 1965 E type ,a fantastic driving experience but needs constant fettling ........... Would I prefer an Eagle E type ..If I had the money .......Absolutely . more reliable , more power , better brakes , a better driving experience all round.

Like Clarkson said The difference between the DB9 and the DBS apart from £60k ......... every little part is just a little bit better , and thats why people buy these cars

Modifying old cars to improve them is not new. I think the difference is the sums of money involved.



I used to own this early 911 that had been modified: 2.7 engine, 930 turbo brakes, stripped out, changes to the suspension, engine rebuild other bits and pieces. Transformed the driving experience compared to the base car (2.4 E) and was amazingly fun to drive. Apart from a split fuel hose I didn’t have any problems with it, despite driving it like I had stolen it and doing several big trips (tours of Scotland and Wales). I bought it modified but I don’t think the previous owners had invested more than around £30k - about 5% of the money spent on the car Harry tested. Was the fit and finish as good? Of course not. But is the Theon 20 times better?

[jasonrobertson86]

CLK-GTR said:

That's fine but it's just a modified car. It's the trying to turn them into something more that I dont get.

[DonkeyApple]

Skeptisk said:

Modifying old cars to improve them is not new. I think the difference is the sums of money involved.



I used to own this early 911 that had been modified: 2.7 engine, 930 turbo brakes, stripped out, changes to the suspension, engine rebuild other bits and pieces. Transformed the driving experience compared to the base car (2.4 E) and was amazingly fun to drive. Apart from a split fuel hose I didn’t have any problems with it, despite driving it like I had stolen it and doing several big trips (tours of Scotland and Wales). I bought it modified but I don’t think the previous owners had invested more than around £30k - about 5% of the money spent on the car Harry tested. Was the fit and finish as good? Of course not. But is the Theon 20 times better?

It's worth baring in mind all the other work which distinguishes a restomod from just a modded car. The latter can be as cheap as just removing a blown engine and boring it out while rebuilding, replacing knackered shocks and springs with something different and dealing with a bit of the rust. These branded restomods when not done by gibbons with tarmac selling in their veins are huge pieces of work where the fabrication costs are to be amortised across a very small number of units. Setting up the carbon panels for this car and for them not to be a load of old st that doesn't quite fit or be symmetrical and a total strip down to componentry is going to be dearer than swapping out a few mechanical parts.

And among restomods it's also about knowing it has been done correctly and well as there is no shortage of grifters bodging their way through a restoration and hoping that by banging on about some pretentious particular bit of tttery they hope the client doesn't notice the total bag of bks under the skin before the cheque has cleared.

[Wills2]

ArgonautX said:

Ruf SCR would be my choice for that price.

Agreed!

[gareth h]

Wills2 said:

ArgonautX said:

Ruf SCR would be my choice for that price.

Agreed!

I’m buying mine piecemeal