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greenarrow said:
So this thread has taken the expected turn after the Tesla review. Tesla as a brand it seems, there is no middle ground. You are either a fully paid up evangelist for the brand, or an out and out hater.....
I think what age you are plays a part in it as well. As I kid I never grew up wanting or lusting after an electric car of any description. However I'd imagine that someone 45 years younger than me for example...might grow up wanting and lusting after a Tesla/an EV, because they don't/won't know any different. cerb4.5lee said:
I think what age you are plays a part in it as well. As I kid I never grew up wanting or lusting after an electric car of any description. However I'd imagine that someone 45 years younger than me for example...might grow up wanting and lusting after a Tesla/an EV, because they don't/won't know any different.
If a child of today grows up to lust after a Tesla of today then the big question to be asking is just how many times did their father drop them on their head. People have grown up and listed after a Princess, a Vectra or a Mondeo but they aren't exactly what you'd rush to call normal.
The i3 will receive a bit of a cult following I think and it makes for an absolutely cracking local duties car that's fun to hoon and easy to live with but I can't see the Model 3 tracking the same path but rather like the S will most probably get used as a solid, generic commuter until it falls into the hands of a pub landlord and unlike an old XJ6 you won't be able to banger races it for its final hurrah. Its lifespan limit oks more set to follow that of fridges and other white goods but I guess time will eventually tell.
DonkeyApple said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I think what age you are plays a part in it as well. As I kid I never grew up wanting or lusting after an electric car of any description. However I'd imagine that someone 45 years younger than me for example...might grow up wanting and lusting after a Tesla/an EV, because they don't/won't know any different.
If a child of today grows up to lust after a Tesla of today then the big question to be asking is just how many times did their father drop them on their head. People have grown up and listed after a Princess, a Vectra or a Mondeo but they aren't exactly what you'd rush to call normal.
The i3 will receive a bit of a cult following I think and it makes for an absolutely cracking local duties car that's fun to hoon and easy to live with but I can't see the Model 3 tracking the same path but rather like the S will most probably get used as a solid, generic commuter until it falls into the hands of a pub landlord and unlike an old XJ6 you won't be able to banger races it for its final hurrah. Its lifespan limit oks more set to follow that of fridges and other white goods but I guess time will eventually tell.
Looks at the phone adverts - there are no middle aged blokes in an ill fitting Fred Perry outside Wetherspoons in those. They are all under 30 and all smiley and excited to the point of spaffing themselves over the fact you can edit the background of the 15 minutes of Grimes they just filmed at some festival in New Mexico.
Whereas your typical PH'r wants his phone to
1) ring his mum
2) take a picture of his cat, Reginald.
3) send a picture of Reginald, to his mum
A Tesla or any other EV is just a piece of tech, which they can get very excited about and transport their fair trade skinny mocha chokka gluten free organic frappucino to another festival (not necessarily in New Mexico)
otolith said:
The kids have all had years of watching YouTube videos of Teslas pasting supercars on the drag strip. Suspect that will have some residual effect.
That is a good shout as you say, and stuff like the Carwow videos help to get the younger generation into EVs for sure. They overlook how one dimensional they are because they are quick, whereas when I think of an EV, I immediately associate them with dullness rightly or wrongly. One thing I cannot get my head around, the giant iPad that controls everything including which way you go now, how can Harry be allowed by law to keep looking down at it and adjusting things on the screen when he cannot touch a mobile phone screen which is sat directly below it?
That screen is distracting you from the road, more so with the fact it has the speedometer on it as well.
Wouldn’t it have been safer to put all visible readings in-front of the driver like most cars in history have had? Yes there are cars where speedometers have been in the middle of the dash but by and large most are behind the wheel.
That screen is distracting you from the road, more so with the fact it has the speedometer on it as well.
Wouldn’t it have been safer to put all visible readings in-front of the driver like most cars in history have had? Yes there are cars where speedometers have been in the middle of the dash but by and large most are behind the wheel.
Castrol for a knave said:
Kids are into tech though really.
Looks at the phone adverts - there are no middle aged blokes in an ill fitting Fred Perry outside Wetherspoons in those. They are all under 30 and all smiley and excited to the point of spaffing themselves over the fact you can edit the background of the 15 minutes of Grimes they just filmed at some festival in New Mexico.
Whereas your typical PH'r wants his phone to
1) ring his mum
2) take a picture of his cat, Reginald.
3) send a picture of Reginald, to his mum
A Tesla or any other EV is just a piece of tech, which they can get very excited about and transport their fair trade skinny mocha chokka gluten free organic frappucino to another festival (not necessarily in New Mexico)
True. It'll be very old and dull tech by then. Would need to be rebranded under the nostalgia or ironic mechanisms like early digital cameras. Looks at the phone adverts - there are no middle aged blokes in an ill fitting Fred Perry outside Wetherspoons in those. They are all under 30 and all smiley and excited to the point of spaffing themselves over the fact you can edit the background of the 15 minutes of Grimes they just filmed at some festival in New Mexico.
Whereas your typical PH'r wants his phone to
1) ring his mum
2) take a picture of his cat, Reginald.
3) send a picture of Reginald, to his mum
A Tesla or any other EV is just a piece of tech, which they can get very excited about and transport their fair trade skinny mocha chokka gluten free organic frappucino to another festival (not necessarily in New Mexico)
Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
Castrol for a knave said:
Kids are into tech though really.
Looks at the phone adverts - there are no middle aged blokes in an ill fitting Fred Perry outside Wetherspoons in those. They are all under 30 and all smiley and excited to the point of spaffing themselves over the fact you can edit the background of the 15 minutes of Grimes they just filmed at some festival in New Mexico.
Whereas your typical PH'r wants his phone to
1) ring his mum
2) take a picture of his cat, Reginald.
3) send a picture of Reginald, to his mum
It is that last part I find difficult.Looks at the phone adverts - there are no middle aged blokes in an ill fitting Fred Perry outside Wetherspoons in those. They are all under 30 and all smiley and excited to the point of spaffing themselves over the fact you can edit the background of the 15 minutes of Grimes they just filmed at some festival in New Mexico.
Whereas your typical PH'r wants his phone to
1) ring his mum
2) take a picture of his cat, Reginald.
3) send a picture of Reginald, to his mum
Yes, I'm well over 30...
External tyre noise in the intro was a great illustration of why electric cars cannot be considered silent or really even any quieter than ICE.
Maybe some benefit in an acceleration zone away from a junction but even then most noise will come from ICE large goods type vehicles which aren't going electric any time soon, if at all.
Maybe some benefit in an acceleration zone away from a junction but even then most noise will come from ICE large goods type vehicles which aren't going electric any time soon, if at all.
DonkeyApple said:
True. It'll be very old and dull tech by then. Would need to be rebranded under the nostalgia or ironic mechanisms like early digital cameras.
Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
I also think PH as a whole has a tendency to over-estimate what your average car buyer is after - hence cars like the Qashqai being the biggest seller. I walk my dog daily and very few houses have anything special or 'a driver's car' parked up outside. It's generally 4-pot bangers of one sort of the other. Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
Hell you only have to look within PH to see lots of extremely nice metal owned which is very very rarely used as intended. Another example being Ferrari and the like in central London. Not being bought because of their ability on the open road there.
Chasing Potatoes said:
I also think PH as a whole has a tendency to over-estimate what your average car buyer is after - hence cars like the Qashqai being the biggest seller. I walk my dog daily and very few houses have anything special or 'a driver's car' parked up outside. It's generally 4-pot bangers of one sort of the other.
Hell you only have to look within PH to see lots of extremely nice metal owned which is very very rarely used as intended. Another example being Ferrari and the like in central London. Not being bought because of their ability on the open road there.
It’s probably like 99% who just want ‘car’ to get them to ‘place’. Hell you only have to look within PH to see lots of extremely nice metal owned which is very very rarely used as intended. Another example being Ferrari and the like in central London. Not being bought because of their ability on the open road there.
I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. No one I know is into cars at all. It’s a device that does a job and nothing more. Which in fairness 99% of driving tends to be for even the 1%.
p1stonhead said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
I also think PH as a whole has a tendency to over-estimate what your average car buyer is after - hence cars like the Qashqai being the biggest seller. I walk my dog daily and very few houses have anything special or 'a driver's car' parked up outside. It's generally 4-pot bangers of one sort of the other.
Hell you only have to look within PH to see lots of extremely nice metal owned which is very very rarely used as intended. Another example being Ferrari and the like in central London. Not being bought because of their ability on the open road there.
It’s probably like 99% who just want ‘car’ to get them to ‘place’. Hell you only have to look within PH to see lots of extremely nice metal owned which is very very rarely used as intended. Another example being Ferrari and the like in central London. Not being bought because of their ability on the open road there.
I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. No one I know is into cars at all. It’s a device that does a job and nothing more. Which in fairness 99% of driving tends to be for even the 1%.
I have a few mates who are rapturous about a new 60 squillion inch SHDUHD smart TV with hyper processed Dolby Diginoodle surround sound. Mine is a black one.
Horses for courses.
p1stonhead said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
I also think PH as a whole has a tendency to over-estimate what your average car buyer is after - hence cars like the Qashqai being the biggest seller. I walk my dog daily and very few houses have anything special or 'a driver's car' parked up outside. It's generally 4-pot bangers of one sort of the other.
Hell you only have to look within PH to see lots of extremely nice metal owned which is very very rarely used as intended. Another example being Ferrari and the like in central London. Not being bought because of their ability on the open road there.
It’s probably like 99% who just want ‘car’ to get them to ‘place’. Hell you only have to look within PH to see lots of extremely nice metal owned which is very very rarely used as intended. Another example being Ferrari and the like in central London. Not being bought because of their ability on the open road there.
I don’t think that’s an exaggeration. No one I know is into cars at all. It’s a device that does a job and nothing more. Which in fairness 99% of driving tends to be for even the 1%.
Chasing Potatoes said:
DonkeyApple said:
True. It'll be very old and dull tech by then. Would need to be rebranded under the nostalgia or ironic mechanisms like early digital cameras.
Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
I also think PH as a whole has a tendency to over-estimate what your average car buyer is after - hence cars like the Qashqai being the biggest seller. I walk my dog daily and very few houses have anything special or 'a driver's car' parked up outside. It's generally 4-pot bangers of one sort of the other. Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
WestyCarl said:
Chasing Potatoes said:
DonkeyApple said:
True. It'll be very old and dull tech by then. Would need to be rebranded under the nostalgia or ironic mechanisms like early digital cameras.
Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
I also think PH as a whole has a tendency to over-estimate what your average car buyer is after - hence cars like the Qashqai being the biggest seller. I walk my dog daily and very few houses have anything special or 'a driver's car' parked up outside. It's generally 4-pot bangers of one sort of the other. Finally getting the self driving download might revitalise values of any that haven't fallen apart.
Maybe another negative is that unlike other cars built today these might be able to be updated to run future rules and regs that are due to become mandatory? Non compliance tends to be one of the appeals of older cars.
otolith said:
The kids have all had years of watching YouTube videos of Teslas pasting supercars on the drag strip. Suspect that will have some residual effect.
Pretty much. You could try to explain the joys of internal combustion and the mechanics and connection to what we would consider enthusiast cars, but most won't care, because a Tesla (or equivalent EV) is straight-line fast (the only performance metric actually relevant to them) and is more like another piece of tech than a piece of machinery.Same reason you'd struggle to convince them of the virtues of a quality mechanical watch, then they'd just buy an Apple Watch instead.
Thing is, they're not inherently 'wrong' in those views. I don't agree with them, but I can't really argue with them
I'm 'only' 33 but even I feel old trying to convey how much me and others still like old ICE cars, mechanical watches, record players etc. There's no real interest in the analogue among the young generation. Of the many lads in their 20's I know or work / have worked with, there's probably only a couple really appreciate the 'older' stuff, the rest just aren't bothered and would just opt for the Tesla / iWatch..
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