New Doctor Who Series

[MiniMan64]

Meh. Kids or not I liked it.

DW can get a bit serious and complicated sometimes and that was just a good fun simple adventure story. Good stuff.

[cymtriks]

ajprice said:

And a bit of series ark with the computer having no records of the doctor, so it's not just the Daleks that the data on him got wiped from by Oswin. Possibly

No records or records being deleted has come up before.

In the second episode of the first series a character tried to get their computer to identify the Dr and had trouble getting an answer.

The Dr also attempted to delete all computer records of himself by using a virus.

[ajprice]

cymtriks said:

ajprice said:

And a bit of series ark with the computer having no records of the doctor, so it's not just the Daleks that the data on him got wiped from by Oswin. Possibly

No records or records being deleted has come up before.

In the second episode of the first series a character tried to get their computer to identify the Dr and had trouble getting an answer.

The Dr also attempted to delete all computer records of himself by using a virus.

Last week. Oswin hacked the Daleks. He got back and they didn't know who he was.
This week. The pirate scans him to get a bounty value. The computer has no record of him.
So Oswin did something bigger than hack the Daleks. Possibly.

[telecat]

Enjoyed the episode. One of the better Stand alone episodes. "Doctor Who?" Continues. SM has said that there isn't a Grand story arc this year. But like the Doctor He does lie.

And the Indian Space Agency knew about the "Doctor". So Earth still "remembers" the Doctor, he's just forgotten in the rest of time and space. David Bradley played a really unpleasant Pirate in this episode and the Doctor has no qualms about letting him die either. An interesting development from Tennent's Vengeful but generally non-lethal Doctor.

Edited by telecat on Sunday 9th September 00:38

[ali_kat]

They broke a cardinal rule there

The Doctor always gives an out, he doesn't kill. That is a major part of the story & his character. He has failed to save, given outs they have refused, even stoodby whilst an assistant has killed, Yet Solomon wasn't given an option, he was just killed, he wasn't even that bad (as in worse have been given outs).

Fundamental story flaw as this was black & white & Pre-meditated

[stephen300o]

ali_kat said:

They broke a cardinal rule there

The Doctor always gives an out, he doesn't kill. That is a major part of the story & his character. He has failed to save, given outs they have refused, even stoodby whilst an assistant has killed, Yet Solomon wasn't given an option, he was just killed, he wasn't even that bad (as in worse have been given outs).

Fundamental story flaw as this was black & white & Pre-meditated

Apart from the whole geonoside thing...

[simonrockman]

I thought it very weak. As they were riding the dinosaur I said to my son "it's turned into Hitch-hikers". I love Hitch-hikers, but it's meant to be a comedy, Dr. Who is not. The beach inside a spaceship "very improbable".

I agree on the killing thing, I was expecting us to not see the missiles hit the ship. perhaps they could have turned into a bowl of petunias.

[MiniMan64]

simonrockman said:

I thought it very weak. As they were riding the dinosaur I said to my son "it's turned into Hitch-hikers". I love Hitch-hikers, but it's meant to be a comedy, Dr. Who is not. The beach inside a spaceship "very improbable".

I agree on the killing thing, I was expecting us to not see the missiles hit the ship. perhaps they could have turned into a bowl of petunias.

Since when?

Doctor Who was and is primarily a kids show, it's grown up a little bit but its shown on Saturday prime time, not a late night slot on Thursday or something. It's always been funny.

As for the beach being imporbable, really? You found that improbable? Have you not watched much of DW or something?

[telecat]

I would say that Many of the Doctors have "failed" to give the Villain an "out". However Tennant's Doctor tended to be more merciful than most. I disagree that Solomon "Had done little" to deserve his fate. He had mercilessly slaughtered the Silurians. Hence the Doctor giving Solomon very little chance. Don't forget the Doctor has dealt with Silurians favourably before and they generally listen to reason.

[marcosgt]

ali_kat said:

They broke a cardinal rule there

The Doctor always gives an out, he doesn't kill. That is a major part of the story & his character. He has failed to save, given outs they have refused, even stoodby whilst an assistant has killed, Yet Solomon wasn't given an option, he was just killed, he wasn't even that bad (as in worse have been given outs).

Fundamental story flaw as this was black & white & Pre-meditated

So that bit where he said leave now while you can didn't happen?

M

[ali_kat]

To be honest, I wasn't really paying much attention by that point, so may have missed an out... normally I still hear stuff tho, even when I'm surfing PH with stuff in the background.

The Doctor refuses to kill the Daleks (including Dalek Khan who was the last one). Davros would have destroyed the entire universe, galaxys and everything in them. He invites Davros into the Tardis.

I can't think of any time he's not given a second chance. Even The Master, the Doctor always tries to reason with him and keep him alive.

[TheHeretic]

Nurburgsingh said:

Has " the doctor daughter " made a reappearance yet??

Still surprised they haven't done anything with it.

[Jim the Sunderer]

I am not too sure about him leaving the crippled murderer and his two gay robots to die.

[trooperiziz]

Bedazzled said:

I thought the story hung together perfectly, the gay kiss was a bit unnecessary but Moffat just can't help himself can he? Some good characters (I liked Rory's dad especially), and next week looks like it should be fun too. Much better than the last series, so far.

Gay kiss? How in any way was that a gay kiss?
I assume if two guys hug then that is a gay hug then?

[Silver Smudger]

ali_kat said:

...The Doctor refuses to kill the Daleks (including Dalek Khan who was the last one). Davros would have destroyed the entire universe, galaxies and everything in them. He invites Davros into the Tardis....

The Doctor can, and does, kill - Especially Daleks

Wikipedia said:

The Time War concluded with the mutual destruction of both belligerents and their respective planets. The Dalek fleet – reportedly ten million ships – was destroyed by the Doctor.

Gallifrey is first described as having "burned" like Earth of the far future, and is "rocks and dust" as a result of the war, but then the Doctor admits that Time Lords and Daleks both burned together and that he personally ended the war, in an act which caused the Time Lords, the Daleks and Gallifrey to burn. The Doctor was, therefore, responsible for destroying his home planet. He is called "the killer of his own kind" by the beast of the Pit.

[Morningside]

ali_kat said:

Just me that was disapointed then?

I guess I expected more

Not just you.

After a great opening last week we have

'Camp' robots. Why?
Rorys dad. Just another tick in the box for Mark Williams and pointless at this point of the the Doctor Who story. Especially if they are going to kill(?) Pond.
Dinosaur being a large dog and dying for the kids to then howl over.
The 'yes' (punch air) death of the baddie.

And what the hell was the quick kiss toward Rory for?

3/10

Hopefully next week it will be back to normal.

[Morningside]

Quick question.
I honestly thought the robots were Mitchell and Webb but going by the credits they were Noel Byrne and Richard Garaghty? (whoever they are!).

Could they not get Mitchell and Webb or was it pure coincidence they sounded alike or are they using fake names?

[MartG]

Mitchell and Webb were credited as the voices of the robots

[MiniMan64]

MartG said:

Mitchell and Webb were credited as the voices of the robots

Funnyily enough thtat was the only bit of the episode that annoyed me.

There were two seperate sets of credit for the Robots 1 & 2, one with names I didn't recognise and the other with Mitchell & Webb.

I wonder if they had to reshoots?

[simonrockman]

MiniMan64 said:

simonrockman said:

I thought it very weak. As they were riding the dinosaur I said to my son "it's turned into Hitch-hikers". I love Hitch-hikers, but it's meant to be a comedy, Dr. Who is not. The beach inside a spaceship "very improbable".

I agree on the killing thing, I was expecting us to not see the missiles hit the ship. perhaps they could have turned into a bowl of petunias.

Since when?

Doctor Who was and is primarily a kids show, it's grown up a little bit but its shown on Saturday prime time, not a late night slot on Thursday or something. It's always been funny.

As for the beach being imporbable, really? You found that improbable? Have you not watched much of DW or something?

No, DW is a soap or drama with funny bits in, not a comedy. The beach on a ship was a reference to the "Heart of Gold" the ship in Hitch-Hikers where the beach was created at infinite improbability. The Doctor saying "Very improbable" has to be a nod to this.