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Free temporary chemical castration with every benefit claim?
As for Connor, it's too late for him really, he's going to end up in prison, maybe sooner rather than later might do him some good? A prevailing attitude from last nights program was small-time crime isn't a big deal because all you get is a pointless tag, some pointles community service or a very short spell in prison that'll barely count for anything.
No wonder they don't give a s
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As for Connor, it's too late for him really, he's going to end up in prison, maybe sooner rather than later might do him some good? A prevailing attitude from last nights program was small-time crime isn't a big deal because all you get is a pointless tag, some pointles community service or a very short spell in prison that'll barely count for anything.
No wonder they don't give a s
t. MiniMan64 said:
Free temporary chemical castration with every benefit claim?
More positive than that. Benefits for 2 years before you get put on special measures. Which would be something like:Turn up to your chosen education/training course at 08:45, and you get your benefits (for the day), on the way out at 17:00. Piss about and you get kicked out the back way. Do not pass Go, do not collect cash.
Don't turn up on time or leave early. No cash. (unless a Dr/other qualified NHS worker, has signed you off)
And the courses would be everything that makes sense given the level of education the individual has. So learning to read, up to A-Levels and vocational courses from child care, to IT, Engineering, Nursing etc industry qualifications. With people encouraged to take courses in subjects where we need people. So if we have a shortage of child care, lets train up a bunch. If we need nurses/midwives/plasters whatever. Lets get people to the level where they can do those jobs.
Sure some will be unsuitable. But lets pull up the ones we can save and get them paying taxes.
Munter said:
More positive than that. Benefits for 2 years before you get put on special measures. Which would be something like:
Turn up to your chosen education/training course at 08:45, and you get your benefits (for the day), on the way out at 17:00. Piss about and you get kicked out the back way. Do not pass Go, do not collect cash.
Don't turn up on time or leave early. No cash. (unless a Dr/other qualified NHS worker, has signed you off)
And the courses would be everything that makes sense given the level of education the individual has. So learning to read, up to A-Levels and vocational courses from child care, to IT, Engineering, Nursing etc industry qualifications. With people encouraged to take courses in subjects where we need people. So if we have a shortage of child care, lets train up a bunch. If we need nurses/midwives/plasters whatever. Lets get people to the level where they can do those jobs.
Sure some will be unsuitable. But lets pull up the ones we can save and get them paying taxes.
And 2 years compulsory National Service (with a trade qualification attached) for the unsuitables - they are taken off the streets for a defined period and, with a bit of luck, learn some discipline and life skills in that period, as well as a trade which will set them up for when they are discharged. Just a thought....Turn up to your chosen education/training course at 08:45, and you get your benefits (for the day), on the way out at 17:00. Piss about and you get kicked out the back way. Do not pass Go, do not collect cash.
Don't turn up on time or leave early. No cash. (unless a Dr/other qualified NHS worker, has signed you off)
And the courses would be everything that makes sense given the level of education the individual has. So learning to read, up to A-Levels and vocational courses from child care, to IT, Engineering, Nursing etc industry qualifications. With people encouraged to take courses in subjects where we need people. So if we have a shortage of child care, lets train up a bunch. If we need nurses/midwives/plasters whatever. Lets get people to the level where they can do those jobs.
Sure some will be unsuitable. But lets pull up the ones we can save and get them paying taxes.
B.J.W said:
Munter said:
More positive than that. Benefits for 2 years before you get put on special measures. Which would be something like:
Turn up to your chosen education/training course at 08:45, and you get your benefits (for the day), on the way out at 17:00. Piss about and you get kicked out the back way. Do not pass Go, do not collect cash.
Don't turn up on time or leave early. No cash. (unless a Dr/other qualified NHS worker, has signed you off)
And the courses would be everything that makes sense given the level of education the individual has. So learning to read, up to A-Levels and vocational courses from child care, to IT, Engineering, Nursing etc industry qualifications. With people encouraged to take courses in subjects where we need people. So if we have a shortage of child care, lets train up a bunch. If we need nurses/midwives/plasters whatever. Lets get people to the level where they can do those jobs.
Sure some will be unsuitable. But lets pull up the ones we can save and get them paying taxes.
And 2 years compulsory National Service (with a trade qualification attached) for the unsuitables - they are taken off the streets for a defined period and, with a bit of luck, learn some discipline and life skills in that period, as well as a trade which will set them up for when they are discharged. Just a thought....Turn up to your chosen education/training course at 08:45, and you get your benefits (for the day), on the way out at 17:00. Piss about and you get kicked out the back way. Do not pass Go, do not collect cash.
Don't turn up on time or leave early. No cash. (unless a Dr/other qualified NHS worker, has signed you off)
And the courses would be everything that makes sense given the level of education the individual has. So learning to read, up to A-Levels and vocational courses from child care, to IT, Engineering, Nursing etc industry qualifications. With people encouraged to take courses in subjects where we need people. So if we have a shortage of child care, lets train up a bunch. If we need nurses/midwives/plasters whatever. Lets get people to the level where they can do those jobs.
Sure some will be unsuitable. But lets pull up the ones we can save and get them paying taxes.
Munter said:
MiniMan64 said:
Free temporary chemical castration with every benefit claim?
More positive than that. Benefits for 2 years before you get put on special measures. Which would be something like:Turn up to your chosen education/training course at 08:45, and you get your benefits (for the day), on the way out at 17:00. Piss about and you get kicked out the back way. Do not pass Go, do not collect cash.
Don't turn up on time or leave early. No cash. (unless a Dr/other qualified NHS worker, has signed you off)
And the courses would be everything that makes sense given the level of education the individual has. So learning to read, up to A-Levels and vocational courses from child care, to IT, Engineering, Nursing etc industry qualifications. With people encouraged to take courses in subjects where we need people. So if we have a shortage of child care, lets train up a bunch. If we need nurses/midwives/plasters whatever. Lets get people to the level where they can do those jobs.
Sure some will be unsuitable. But lets pull up the ones we can save and get them paying taxes.
Also, I had an idea for benefits that might work - base how long you can claim them on how long you've spent working.
Anyone leaving school has to go into an apprenticeship or a university course. Once these are finished, I'd propose they'd have three years' grace to find a job during which they can claim JSA. The longer you work, the more you can 'top this up', but if you don't work you eat into that three-year buffer, and then eventually you're not entitled to anything.
This should not only encourage people to work, but also make them really eager to keep working and find a job as soon as possible, as they'd have a sense of 'tick, tock, tick, tock' hanging over them, so they could literally see the date that their benefits would run out on.
I reckon it'd encourage businesses to set up shop in places like S
horpe too. Think about it - these people aren't out-and-out stupid, but in their current situation it actually isn't that beneficial for them to work. This would add a sense of urgency to their job search.Also, it would reward effort. If you've been thrown on the scrapheap after spending 20 years in the steelworks, you have few transferable skills and your age makes you hard to employ, then you have 20 years to find a job. If you're young and you've spent three years lazily avoiding work before managing to stick six months stacking shelves, then you have six months to find a job. Tick, tock, tick, tock.
You pay in, you get out. Would reinforce a sense of social responsibility too.
Twincam16 said:
No - keep the industry, but replace the chronically venal, short-termist and self-interested British management class with people with engineering backgrounds, and edge bit by bit towards being more like Germany.
No, 'cause you never meet any st short sighted management types in Germany do you?
mercfunder said:
Twincam16 said:
No - keep the industry, but replace the chronically venal, short-termist and self-interested British management class with people with engineering backgrounds, and edge bit by bit towards being more like Germany.
No, 'cause you never meet any st short sighted management types in Germany do you?Our economy is flatlining. Foreign businesses see fit to operate industry here and give cutting-edge products to make, and we also engineer them, but they emerge from factories with Japanese and German badges on them.
Complacency is what's damaged British industry, plus a notion that banking and associated services are the only game in town. This works fine in a country with a relatively small population, like Switzerland, but not in a country with a large population like ours. We cannot afford, socially or economically, to have areas of the country that the banking-focused economy has essentially written off. They need things to do, and opportunities on their doorstep.
Talk all you want about moving to find work, but when all the people in a particular area with any get-up-and-go have got up and gone, all you're left with are the people with few skills, poor motivation and nothing to do. And then they have children and their number increase and increase until you have areas like S
horpe where such cycles of misery are endemic and they drain the pockets of the state.The only way to make these parts of the country economically productive is with industry. You can't set up a small business in these areas if your local customers have no money, nor can you expect people who have educated themselves and attained qualifications to stay there and put money into the local economy.
The nub of the problem we saw on that programme is that S
horpe and areas like it no longer have any reason to exist.So you face a simple choice - give them a reason to exist and make them productive, or kill everyone and raze it to the ground.
NB - one of these options proved somewhat unpopular after it was trialled in several countries during the Thirties and Forties.
Uncle John said:
Broken Britain.
A semi feral social underclass festering on generations of low expectations and self esteem leeching off the state and unfortunately not unusual.
Not sure what the fix is but something needs to be done.
coronavirus.A semi feral social underclass festering on generations of low expectations and self esteem leeching off the state and unfortunately not unusual.
Not sure what the fix is but something needs to be done.
And don't worry, according to recent reports its on the way.
Twincam16 said:
said lots of good stuff.
Trouble is, would the 'good' people of Shorpe really want to go back to working for potentially minimum wage should a factory re-open in the area or would, like other areas, see factory work as something beneath them and therefore the East Europeans do it instead?If we want to make this country 'rich' again, we need to be like the Chinese/emerging Far Eastern markets and have slave labour/sweat shops
Doofus said:
An education gives you the ability to use language, and that language gives you the ability to articulate your feelings.
An inability to articulate means the only resort is violence, throwing stuff, swearing, generally being a, and acting like a five year old (who has good reason to be inarticulate).
Connor holds the key to solving his problems, but he won't go to school. Why? Because he's frightened.
fking tough nut, my arse!
Little big man...Does look like a young Freddie Mercury (without the talent).An inability to articulate means the only resort is violence, throwing stuff, swearing, generally being a
, and acting like a five year old (who has good reason to be inarticulate).Connor holds the key to solving his problems, but he won't go to school. Why? Because he's frightened.
f
king tough nut, my arse!retrorider said:
Doofus said:
An education gives you the ability to use language, and that language gives you the ability to articulate your feelings.
An inability to articulate means the only resort is violence, throwing stuff, swearing, generally being a, and acting like a five year old (who has good reason to be inarticulate).
Connor holds the key to solving his problems, but he won't go to school. Why? Because he's frightened.
fking tough nut, my arse!
Little big man...Does look like a young Freddie Mercury (without the talent).An inability to articulate means the only resort is violence, throwing stuff, swearing, generally being a
, and acting like a five year old (who has good reason to be inarticulate).Connor holds the key to solving his problems, but he won't go to school. Why? Because he's frightened.
f
king tough nut, my arse!
I live in Grimsby, neighbour of Scunny.
It's full of pond scum in certain areas! They aren't thick people, they certainly know how to scam the system and how to bend the rules of the law and what constraints the police have to deal with, I.e. to benefit them.
It's full of pond scum in certain areas! They aren't thick people, they certainly know how to scam the system and how to bend the rules of the law and what constraints the police have to deal with, I.e. to benefit them.
Edited by PaulG40 on Tuesday 14th May 17:23
Can't wait till next week, maybe they will show the 13 year old girl being pinned down and relieved of her phone or the only working man on the estate at 05:30 wondering where his CG125 has gone. I live in Sunny Scunny and grew up on Manor Farm which was the poor cousin of Westcliff. P.S Does anyone want to buy a house before its worth is reduced to nothing?
Historically, the only reason for Shorpe to be the centre for steel manufacture was the closeness of the Yorkshire coal mines and the local iron ore and limestone deposits. The Sheffield Family (David Cameron's wife) exploited the local natural resources which resulted in the five villages being combined to form the town of Shorpe and every thing was hunky-dory for about 100 years.
The iron ore ran out and the coal mines were closed in the 1980s and the steel works started to import materials and continue production in an unsustainable fashion. It was then bought by Tata (Indian company I think) and the need for Shorpe as a steel producing town diminished.
Presently the Sheffield family makes lots of money by allowing wind turbines to be built on family land to the north of Shorpe at Normanby and the surrounding area.
IMHO the best thing that could happen (but never will) is for Shorpe to be put back to how it was pre 1850 i.e. the 5 villages of Shorpe, Frodingham, Crosby, Brumby and Ashby.
horpe to be the centre for steel manufacture was the closeness of the Yorkshire coal mines and the local iron ore and limestone deposits. The Sheffield Family (David Cameron's wife) exploited the local natural resources which resulted in the five villages being combined to form the town of Shorpe and every thing was hunky-dory for about 100 years.The iron ore ran out and the coal mines were closed in the 1980s and the steel works started to import materials and continue production in an unsustainable fashion. It was then bought by Tata (Indian company I think) and the need for S
horpe as a steel producing town diminished.Presently the Sheffield family makes lots of money by allowing wind turbines to be built on family land to the north of S
horpe at Normanby and the surrounding area.IMHO the best thing that could happen (but never will) is for S
horpe to be put back to how it was pre 1850 i.e. the 5 villages of Shorpe, Frodingham, Crosby, Brumby and Ashby.Gassing Station | TV, Film, Video Streaming & Radio | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff