Discussion
JonRB said:
Roberty said:
Get a grip people they are just films.
And what we drive are "just cars"You can reduce anything that anyone has an interest in to nothing with the word "just". What a boring and bland world that would leave though.
I used to love Star wars but then I grew up. I still enjoy them but I see them for what they are and not revere them beyond their place.
It's entertainment, not life or death.
Lucas imagined it, filmed it, distributed it, constantly changed it and sold it.
His property, his perogative.
I just think some people lose perspective when it comes to the likes of star wars.
Roberty said:
I used to love Star wars but then I grew up. I still enjoy them but I see them for what they are and not revere them beyond their place.
Grew up or got boring?I'm finding this an amusing thread and a fun discussion. I'm sorry you have a problem with that and are so dismissive and disparidging to those who feel the same as me.
There are an enormous number of threads on Pistonheads. I'm sure you can find others that are more to your liking.
JonRB said:
Roberty said:
I used to love Star wars but then I grew up. I still enjoy them but I see them for what they are and not revere them beyond their place.
Grew up or got boring?I'm finding this an amusing thread and a fun discussion. I'm sorry you have a problem with that and are so dismissive and disparidging to those who feel the same as me.
There are an enormous number of threads on Pistonheads. I'm sure you can find others that are more to your liking.
te like the Clone Wars film has damped my enthusiasm. I still maintain getting it away from Lucas is a positive move though.
Negative Creep said:
Deep down I still love them, but must admit the endless tinkering and kid friendly ste like the Clone Wars film has damped my enthusiasm. I still maintain getting it away from Lucas is a positive move though.
Definitely, it's almost as if he has an OCD level compulsion to tinker and meddle. His money allows him to do it.te like the Clone Wars film has damped my enthusiasm. I still maintain getting it away from Lucas is a positive move though.In the article I posted they referenced the feel of the original three, not sure what that means. Just waffle to make sure fans know they won't be owt like the s
tty prequels?Halb said:
Negative Creep said:
Deep down I still love them, but must admit the endless tinkering and kid friendly ste like the Clone Wars film has damped my enthusiasm. I still maintain getting it away from Lucas is a positive move though.
Definitely, it's almost as if he has an OCD level compulsion to tinker and meddle. His money allows him to do it.te like the Clone Wars film has damped my enthusiasm. I still maintain getting it away from Lucas is a positive move though.In the article I posted they referenced the feel of the original three, not sure what that means. Just waffle to make sure fans know they won't be owt like the s
tty prequels?Odie said:
It was supposed to be 9 films anyway, the first 3 being the middle 3.
AS I mentioned earlier, Lucas always denied that. And, funnily enough, no one has ever been able to provide a source where it's stated otherwise.I remember "knowing" the same thing back in the 80s but I've no idea where it came from. I suspect it's simply "neat", ie we had 4, 5 & 6 so it was obvious 1, 2 & 3 had to exist, so why not have a trilogy of trilogies.
As long as any new films aren't computer graphics laden cack-fests, then there might be hope.
Unfortunately I think that's the problem though. The art of good science fiction/fantasy is being smothered by special effect set pieces, instead of putting the effects in where and when appropriate.
I love effects, but not to saturation point. A character driven plot first, effects to help it along.
The original trilogy's real sets and model effects made then seem more gritty and realistic than most of the stuff churned out these days.
Now I know we are dealing with Disney here, but I hope they understand that kids don't always necessarily want to watch childish things. As a kid I loved Star Wars because I aspired to be cool and brave like the grown up heroes (as I'm sure many others did) and that's why I can still enjoy the original films today.
The Phantom Menace and it's sorry siblings completely missed the point. Instead of a world I wanted to be part of, they created a childish and then latterly confused and insipid mess. That the original films have been interfered with along the way just adds insult to injury.
Unfortunately I think that's the problem though. The art of good science fiction/fantasy is being smothered by special effect set pieces, instead of putting the effects in where and when appropriate.
I love effects, but not to saturation point. A character driven plot first, effects to help it along.
The original trilogy's real sets and model effects made then seem more gritty and realistic than most of the stuff churned out these days.
Now I know we are dealing with Disney here, but I hope they understand that kids don't always necessarily want to watch childish things. As a kid I loved Star Wars because I aspired to be cool and brave like the grown up heroes (as I'm sure many others did) and that's why I can still enjoy the original films today.
The Phantom Menace and it's sorry siblings completely missed the point. Instead of a world I wanted to be part of, they created a childish and then latterly confused and insipid mess. That the original films have been interfered with along the way just adds insult to injury.
Edited by davidf4 on Sunday 4th November 02:26
Roberty said:
how sad to spend so much time worrying about the past and future direction of a collection of what we may not have realised at the time, because we were kids but is clear now that we are adults are "Just" Kids films!
Well we have to have something to keep us of the streets. We all have something we are nerdy about, me I have countless things. I like cars, films (including kids ones) and computer games, I could go on. Some people (not me) even have fish tanks with tropical fish in them, themed ones as well. What's the point of that? Well if it makes them happy and they arent hurting anyone good luck to them. If there was a thread about such things that I found ridiculous or childish I simply wouldn't post on there.
Back to Star Wars. I watched Empire on TV yesterday. Let's hope this is what they're aiming at this time around.
davidf4 said:
As long as any new films aren't computer graphics laden cack-fests, then there might be hope.
Unfortunately I think that's the problem though. The art of good science fiction/fantasy is being smothered by special effect set pieces, instead of putting the effects in where and when appropriate.
I love effects, but not to saturation point. A character driven plot first, effects to help it along.
The original trilogy's real sets and model effects made then seem more gritty and realistic than most of the stuff churned out these days.
I agree. Tech limited Lucas in Star Wars, and it shows (with what we now know he would have wanted to do), tech limited Spielberg in Jaws, it worked.Unfortunately I think that's the problem though. The art of good science fiction/fantasy is being smothered by special effect set pieces, instead of putting the effects in where and when appropriate.
I love effects, but not to saturation point. A character driven plot first, effects to help it along.
The original trilogy's real sets and model effects made then seem more gritty and realistic than most of the stuff churned out these days.
I personally prefer models, only the very best CGI looks good and even then it's ropey. Something like Jurassic Park has a great combination of effects.
Halb said:
LOL that video clip is priceless. She really didn't want to talk to him, did she. 
Jasandjules said:
Well, I hope it is good. I don't mind 1-3 (just about bear them), I hope someone really does them justice. But what can the story be? I mean, the Death Star blown up (surely there won't be a third one with the same design flaw to allow a small fighter to take it down), Vader dead, and only 1 Jedi (Luke) Ok also have Leia but they can't really say there are loads left to fight a Sith battle given that no mention is made of lots of others in ESB and ROTJ when they are talking about disturbances in the force etc...
What Sith would he battle, given the last pair, the Emperor and Vader are dead? Zod said:
What Sith would he battle, given the last pair, the Emperor and Vader are dead?
Have you read any of the extended universe stuff?the one thing they arent short of is plot material. the trouble will be finding a good plot.
The Thrawn trilogy gets my vote
Found this as well for alternate actors
http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/10/30/casting-star...
Im starting to come round to the idea
richtea78 said:
Zod said:
What Sith would he battle, given the last pair, the Emperor and Vader are dead?
Have you read any of the extended universe stuff?the one thing they arent short of is plot material. the trouble will be finding a good plot.
The Thrawn trilogy gets my vote
Found this as well for alternate actors
http://geektyrant.com/news/2012/10/30/casting-star...
Im starting to come round to the idea
Sidious has Anakin kill Dooku because he has returned to the old Sith way of there only ever being two, a Master and an Apprentice. There are therefore no Sith left once the Emperor and Vader die. Of course, there could be a new force adept who becomes a Sith, but there are none at the end of Return of the America.
Well there are plenty of Sith around. You think Palpatine knew about all of them?
If they really wanted to you know they have all this cloning technology floating around? They clone the Emperor in the books.
There are also Dark Jedi to deal with and the aliens with the funny name that hate Jedi
There is plenty of source material out there.
And as above how can the books be too geeky but the films arent? They are just books. Admittedly some of them are st stories but some of them arent.
If they really wanted to you know they have all this cloning technology floating around? They clone the Emperor in the books.
There are also Dark Jedi to deal with and the aliens with the funny name that hate Jedi
There is plenty of source material out there.
And as above how can the books be too geeky but the films arent? They are just books. Admittedly some of them are s
t stories but some of them arent. richtea78 said:
If they really wanted to you know they have all this cloning technology floating around? They clone the Emperor in the books.
Even though I read the cloned Emperor story it wiki and liked it. I don't think I would like to see that story in film...another film with the Emperor as the bad guy. Although, maybe, because we get to see so little of the real Emperor, maybe he hasn't been overexposed.
I liked the Master C'Baoth fella, he was a nutty Jedi.
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