Speed with Guy Martin - new series

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anonymous-user

56 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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It wasn't really explained on the program tbh. It could well be exhaust valve "bounce" due to high Pre-turbine EBP as the turbo work quadruples with altitude!

(and a million other things, like detonation, pre ignition, poor load determination, insufficient injector head room, poor intake charge temperature compensations etc etc etc)

anonymous-user

56 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Max_Torque said:
It wasn't really explained on the program tbh. It could well be exhaust valve "bounce" due to high Pre-turbine EBP as the turbo work quadruples with altitude!

(and a million other things, like detonation, pre ignition, poor load determination, insufficient injector head room, poor intake charge temperature compensations etc etc etc)
I thought they covered it? They said it was a fuel pump/injector issue that couldn't flow enough fuel at full throttle hence him using only half throttle? They couldn't fix it as a spare wasn't available.

anonymous-user

56 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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MC Bodge said:
Megaflow said:
Anybody else spot how well equipped the garage was, and appears to be open to the house, but the first floor didn't have a carpet...


hehe

Edited by Megaflow on Monday 3rd November 10:49
Well-defined Priorities ...and a single bloke.

I used to use the spare room as a bike workshop in my old house. I'm married now, though.
I spotted that but thought it looked more like real wood flooring left bare, with a crappy rug over it.
As for the garage, I susepct it's not so much open to the house but just expansive enough in its own right to have a lounge area.

JonRB

74,936 posts

274 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Just watching it now.

What a guy.

What a bike.

What a fantastic programme.

AlexS

1,552 posts

234 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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anonymous said:
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The voiceover mentioned a stuck fuel control valve, but didn't go into any details as to what this was exactly.

Scuffers

20,887 posts

276 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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I would interpritthat as the fuel reg

I would also assume that they may well have not referenced fuel rail pressure manifold, so the higher they went, the lower the fuel pressure...

If that is the case, then that's a pretty basic error.

As said, for all that effort, some proper testing, dynowork, etc have been invaluable.


Calza

2,007 posts

117 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Enjoyed it as expect, looking forward to next weeks!

I thought it undermined his class a bit, the fact he won by a second on a broken bike?

As a separate question, how did he come into his money? An M3 CSL and GT3 at 21, surely truck fitters don't get paid that much! Did his dad make that much from racing?

motorizer

1,498 posts

173 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Calza said:
I thought it undermined his class a bit, the fact he won by a second on a broken bike?
The exhibition class is for stuff that doesn't fit the rules, run what you brung basically, all the serious racers will have been on something built for the proper classes.

Also having limited throttle may not have been as massive a handicap as you think, if the bike still performed well at lower throttle openings. A lot of it looks a bit too twisty and dangerous for WOT anyway.

That's not to diminish his achievement, it was still a very impressive time.



Edited by motorizer on Monday 3rd November 21:20

MC Bodge

21,890 posts

177 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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motorizer said:
The exhibition class is for stuff that doesn't fit the rules, run what you brung basically, all the serious racers will have been on something built for the proper classes.

Also having limited throttle may not have been as massive a handicap as you think, if the bike still performed well at lower throttle openings. A lot of it looks a bit too twisty and dangerous for WOT anyway.

That's not to diminish his achievement, it was still a very impressive time.
It was.

Lots of Grunt out of the bends, especially as the altitude increases, is possibly what you'd want although having a bike that worked properly would be better.

It's presumably quite a tricky course to learn, although nowhere near as long as the TT Mountain Course. Subsequent visits would help.

ps. Having seen the crash footage, I wouldn't fancy going off the edge of the road at Pikes Peak on a bike...

anonymous-user

56 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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MC Bodge said:
ps. Having seen the crash footage, I wouldn't fancy going off the edge of the road at Pikes Peak on a bike...
Indeedy. See the bit where one bike tumbled over the edge then took out another two (?) on the lower parts of the course? yikes

marshall100

1,124 posts

203 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Calza said:
As a separate question, how did he come into his money? An M3 CSL and GT3 at 21, surely truck fitters don't get paid that much! Did his dad make that much from racing?
Having enjoyed his book, I think it's fair to say there's been solid graft involved. Didn't he hold down three jobs at one point while trying to get into BSB? I don't think he's ever stopped working to this day.

Turn7

23,744 posts

223 months

Monday 3rd November 2014
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Worth watching the series of 6 minute clips on 4OD about Guy.....

Scuffers

20,887 posts

276 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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anonymous said:
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You missing the small matter of a turbo....

Lincsblokey

3,175 posts

157 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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Calza said:
Enjoyed it as expect, looking forward to next weeks!

I thought it undermined his class a bit, the fact he won by a second on a broken bike?

As a separate question, how did he come into his money? An M3 CSL and GT3 at 21, surely truck fitters don't get paid that much! Did his dad make that much from racing?
Ian made nowt from racing!

The family have a fairly busy and very good truck garage, however Guy works at a different garage in immingham now, still works ridiculous hours and grafts, most of his money has come from sponsorship deals and clever marketing.

He made a chunk from Closer To The Edge

He sells his own gear and keeps his own image rights

His wages from TAS racing and previous teams

Alpinestars

Plus his TV shows, book etc etc.

And all the M3's etc pale into insignificance compared to the Amazon.


Oooooosh

chrisga

2,091 posts

189 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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Lincsblokey said:
Ian made nowt from racing!

The family have a fairly busy and very good truck garage, however Guy works at a different garage in immingham now, still works ridiculous hours and grafts, most of his money has come from sponsorship deals and clever marketing.

He made a chunk from Closer To The Edge

He sells his own gear and keeps his own image rights

His wages from TAS racing and previous teams

Alpinestars

Plus his TV shows, book etc etc.

And all the M3's etc pale into insignificance compared to the Amazon.


Oooooosh
[pedant] Hope he wasn't wearing alpinestars when he was hanging out with Rossi at the Dainese ranch event... [/pedant]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tjI3v58OR8

Megaflow

9,490 posts

227 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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He also lived with a parents until recently. He claimed there was no point in buying a house, because he wouldn't live long enough...

hehe

Does anybody know if he still has the V12 Vantage?

MC Bodge

21,890 posts

177 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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Lincsblokey said:
Guy works at a different garage in immingham now, still works ridiculous hours and grafts, most of his money has come from sponsorship deals and clever marketing.
Most of the successful people we see "on the telly" are like that. They are constantly working and/or self-promoting -even the vacuous "celebrity" types.

For most normal people, who grudgingly work 40 hours a week and spend their free time with family and other commitments, it probably looks as if the people "on the telly" have it easy, but their life is typically their work and/ or fulfilling their ambitions.

marshall100

1,124 posts

203 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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I wonder if showing a junkie how he was after he'd just done the hill climb in the car would convince them that there is another way?

That helmet of his is a fairly interesting design, I take it the design is such that he peers out from the bottom of the visor so he can get his head down on the tank?

randlemarcus

13,541 posts

233 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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marshall100 said:
I wonder if showing a junkie how he was after he'd just done the hill climb in the car would convince them that there is another way?
On the other hand, flogging your telly for a tenner to Tracy Barlow seems less intrusive than them flogging your entire house and contents to raise the money for a specialist hill climb car.

Trtj

433 posts

133 months

Tuesday 4th November 2014
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This is a great program, but the narrative absolutely kills it, whoever wrote the voice-over script? The basic engineering that was dying to come out and be explained by Guy was completely ruined and dumbed down to such an extent it was almost painful. Would have been great to hear exactly what the cause of the bike problems were and to learn more about the bike. Oh well.