The World at War - sobering footage
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Eric Mc said:
Absolutely. If he had taken part, at least he might have been able to get his (very opinionated) views across.
I have just finished reading Antony Beevor's "Ardennes 1944". Whilst I appreciate that the book is written from Beevor's viewpoint, Monty does not come out of it well.The American top brass were extremely frustrated by him, and on occasion would let him have his own way just to shut him up.
Derek Smith said:
The series is sobering indeed. It became the topic of conversation at work. It should be compulsory viewing for children in schools.
Well done ITV. In those days the advertising revenue allowed them the freedom to take such risks. I see it is 19th in the top 100 greatest British television programmes, beaten by Blue Peter and Dr Who.
Along with Threads, When the WInd Blows and the other sad/creepy/scary stuff from the thread in the science forum.Well done ITV. In those days the advertising revenue allowed them the freedom to take such risks. I see it is 19th in the top 100 greatest British television programmes, beaten by Blue Peter and Dr Who.
A shame that television has gone the way it has.
rupert the dog said:
nicanary said:
The opening scenes are shot at the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane. It's near Limoges - if you're ever passing through the area it is something which you need to visit. There's an awfulness about it which is difficult to convey on these pages. When I was there I realised that I couldn't hear any birds singing or notice any wildlife - it was almost as if they knew, and had fled for ever.
Sorry if that sounds a bit melodramatic. It's not a place to take small children.
We went there last year, a truly sobering and moving experience. I know I may be naive, but it's still hard to believe that so-called civilised people can do these things.Sorry if that sounds a bit melodramatic. It's not a place to take small children.
On the subject of Oradour - went there in the Spring - a very thought provoking place indeed. Couldn't disagree more about not taking children. Took mine (10 and 13) and couldn't believe how intrigued they were and not at all overcome by the visit. They still ask questions now. I would say it's a very good place to take children.
Arguably the finest documentary series ever made, narrated by the superb Laurence Olivier.
I watched it on TV first time round, and have had the DVD's for several years. Essential viewing.
Off topic:-
Just finished reading:-
Highly recommended.
Interesting fact:-
The B29 Superfortress Bockscar that dropped the second bomb "Fat man" on Nagasaki on the 9th August literally ran out of fuel on landing on Okinawa as it did not have enough to make it back to Tinian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bockscar
I watched it on TV first time round, and have had the DVD's for several years. Essential viewing.
Off topic:-
Just finished reading:-
Highly recommended.
Interesting fact:-
The B29 Superfortress Bockscar that dropped the second bomb "Fat man" on Nagasaki on the 9th August literally ran out of fuel on landing on Okinawa as it did not have enough to make it back to Tinian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bockscar
Must admit, not really wanted to watch the last DVD - so gruesome.
Read a few books from the losing side. Sounds like the red army were some what worse than the Germans in terms of army behaviour. Read a book about Sepp Allerberger (German Sniper) and it seems unbelievable that soviet atrocities were kept so quiet, although the mass rape of German women seems to be more known.
Read a few books from the losing side. Sounds like the red army were some what worse than the Germans in terms of army behaviour. Read a book about Sepp Allerberger (German Sniper) and it seems unbelievable that soviet atrocities were kept so quiet, although the mass rape of German women seems to be more known.
ExV8 said:
Must admit, not really wanted to watch the last DVD - so gruesome.
Read a few books from the losing side. Sounds like the red army were some what worse than the Germans in terms of army behaviour. Read a book about Sepp Allerberger (German Sniper) and it seems unbelievable that soviet atrocities were kept so quiet, although the mass rape of German women seems to be more known.
I am reading Beevor's seminal the Second World War. Read a few books from the losing side. Sounds like the red army were some what worse than the Germans in terms of army behaviour. Read a book about Sepp Allerberger (German Sniper) and it seems unbelievable that soviet atrocities were kept so quiet, although the mass rape of German women seems to be more known.
It seems the Red Army weren't the only ones.
A terrible period
Derek Smith said:
Denying the Holocaust is a political decision. Nothing to do with the facts.
True denial of the holocaust is pretty crazy and not many believe that, however more accurately it's holocaust revisionists rather than denialists. They question the numbers and magnitude of the holocaust.thehawk said:
Derek Smith said:
Denying the Holocaust is a political decision. Nothing to do with the facts.
True denial of the holocaust is pretty crazy and not many believe that, however more accurately it's holocaust revisionists rather than denialists. They question the numbers and magnitude of the holocaust.Used to watch this in school when I was about 8-9 years old. A teacher would occasionally come into the room where the school had a Sega Mega Drive, turn it off and put an episode of this on. Probably the only TV I can remember from that far back and it, particularly the music in the closing sequence, certainly haunted me then.
About time to brave watching it again perhaps.
About time to brave watching it again perhaps.
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