Deutschland 83, 86 & 89

[anonymous-user]

Iva Barchetta said:

Crossflow Kid said:

Maybe it'll be Deutschland 63.....when Schweppensteppenwolf was Martin's age and it was all kicking off.....

Good thinking....a prequel.

Even if I do say so myself, it makes a lot of sense. Anything post-83 won't be anything like as tense as it was pretty much all downhill to the wall falling in 89.
Showing us the various "parental" characters in their equivalent youth has some potential, plus we'd get to see Martin's mum in her twenties

[Iva Barchetta]

Jonesy23 said:

Plus where did the whole thing of Ms Rauch going off to Africa come from. Assume there was some historical background to it but to me it seemed a bit abruptly introduced.

I knew there was something else I wanted to know.

Where TF did Mozambique and the African lover spring from ?

[Munter]

Iva Barchetta said:

Jonesy23 said:

Plus where did the whole thing of Ms Rauch going off to Africa come from. Assume there was some historical background to it but to me it seemed a bit abruptly introduced.

I knew there was something else I wanted to know.

Where TF did Mozambique and the African lover spring from ?

She wasn't as steeped in the East's rhetoric as we might have been let to believe in previous episodes. She had her own emergency plan that included going some place nobody was going to waste a nuke on. And she used her feminine charms to make it happen.

[Iva Barchetta]

Which episode did we see her feminine charms ?....

[strummerville]

I've been Googling around and it appears (though not 100% confirmed) that a second series entitled Deutschland 86 is in discussion: http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/deutschland-...

I hope so - I really enjoyed this as I'm a sucker for European dramas.

[BryanC]

Iva Barchetta said:

Which episode did we see her feminine charms ?....

Bit of an ash-tray tho.

[Moominator]

Munter said:

She wasn't as steeped in the East's rhetoric as we might have been let to believe in previous episodes. She had her own emergency plan that included going some place nobody was going to waste a nuke on. And she used her feminine charms to make it happen.

This was one of the parts that I thought Jesus wept

[Zod]

Iva Barchetta said:

I knew Schweppensteppe was going to be Martin's father by the time mother said it.So obvious.
I'm not sure who shot themselves either.

It had become obvious some time before, even before the mother was in custody and Schweppenstette told her in German to leave "unseren Jungen" out of this, which was bizarrely translated not as "our boy", but as "Martin".

[davepoth]

Jonesy23 said:

Plus where did the whole thing of Ms Rauch going off to Africa come from. Assume there was some historical background to it but to me it seemed a bit abruptly introduced.

There is a bit. Mozambique was run along Soviet lines until late 1983, at which point it turned towards the west as it couldn't afford socialism any more. So any move to Mozambique would have been followed by a move back a few months later.

[Disastrous]

Zod said:

Iva Barchetta said:

I knew Schweppensteppe was going to be Martin's father by the time mother said it.So obvious.
I'm not sure who shot themselves either.

It had become obvious some time before, even before the mother was in custody and Schweppenstette told her in German to leave "unseren Jungen" out of this, which was bizarrely translated not as "our boy", but as "Martin".

There were a few bizarre translations around that. I spotted one with the meatballs where he actually said they were good "as they always were" (or similar) and they translated it to "as usual" which changed the meaning somewhat.

[over_the_hill]

More Udo Lindenberg !!

I want to be on the tour bus

[marcosgt]

BryanC said:

Iva Barchetta said:

Which episode did we see her feminine charms ?....

Bit of an ash-tray tho.

This was 1983...

M.

[Zod]

marcosgt said:

BryanC said:

Iva Barchetta said:

Which episode did we see her feminine charms ?....

Bit of an ash-tray tho.

This was 1983...

M.

Germany was still like that ten years ago. On my first day in the office in 2000 after moving there, one fker walked into my office and lit up.

[PurpleTurtle]

Much as I enjoyed the series as a whole, the finale did seem rather rushed.

The whole scenario of Edel's daughter getting in a band, them playing one gig in East Berlin, Schweppensteppe giving a pregnant Annett a backstage pass, for her to succesfully entice Edel's daughter back to her house in the East at the first time of meeting, only to find the photo of Martin and twig him as a spy was frankly preposterous.

A shame, as the rest of it had me enthralled.

[Calza]

I couldn't imagine Edel's daughter going back with Annett at all, I thought that was daft and didn't even fit in with the other cool James Bond style daft stuff.

The daughter clearly wanted to be some wild crazy party girl - she was in a band on tour. Why on earth would she have went back home with a pregnant girl she'd just met?!

[marcosgt]

Calza said:

I couldn't imagine Edel's daughter going back with Annett at all, I thought that was daft and didn't even fit in with the other cool James Bond style daft stuff.

The daughter clearly wanted to be some wild crazy party girl - she was in a band on tour. Why on earth would she have went back home with a pregnant girl she'd just met?!

Totally agree - Honestly, the whole plot smacked of teenage fan-fiction to me.

A shame, really, as parts looked really good and a few of the characters were well played (Martin's mother and Schweppesteppen, although did he REALLY want to start a Nuclear war as it appeared?).

It was billed as a German 'Homeland' and it most definitely failed at that.

Still, here's hoping "The Night Manager' will be good.

M

[speedking31]

williamp said:

Next time will be Deutschland 86, ...

Watch the price of well kept 1986 classics soar in value, especially those with the original grille / indicator lenses, etc.

[V8mate]

marcosgt said:

Still, here's hoping "The Night Manager' will be good.

The critics are suggesting otherwise

[cardigankid]

Munter said:

Iva Barchetta said:

Jonesy23 said:

Plus where did the whole thing of Ms Rauch going off to Africa come from. Assume there was some historical background to it but to me it seemed a bit abruptly introduced.

I knew there was something else I wanted to know.

Where TF did Mozambique and the African lover spring from ?

She wasn't as steeped in the East's rhetoric as we might have been let to believe in previous episodes. She had her own emergency plan that included going some place nobody was going to waste a nuke on. And she used her feminine charms to make it happen.

Well her feminine charms obviously worked on the big guy from Mozambique.

As said - this was an 'On the Beach' touch which showed her getting her passports and cash out and getting out of the target zone before it all kicked off.

I didn't get why the Edel girl wanted to go back to Annett's house either but maybe my wife was talking to me about kitchens at the wrong moment. As for Annett, and the mother, and Martin all working for or involved with the Stasi I thought it was good - in the DDR in those days your left hand couldn't trust your right hand and everybody was an informer. It was how they kept things on the straight and narrow, learned from the Nazis actually. Roll on Deutschland 86. Deutschland 89 will be a cracker, they just need to describe it as it happened, that was as close a shave as anyone could want.

Mind you I'm not sure how they are going to bring Schweppenstette back after him nearly launching a nuclear war by falsifying documents. And I do hope that General Edel didn't shoot himself at the end there, and that was just a fireworks display. I didn't think he deserved all the problems or his wife running off for that matter.

Edited by cardigankid on Saturday 20th February 23:32

[oldmanbm]

I really enjoyed the series but like others felt the finale was trying to cram everything in. I spent several weeks in East Germany in 1983 as part of an International Socialist exchange. Managed to lose my papers and had fun getting back to the West. I brought West German marks with me and had a fine old time in the evenings at the bar. Girls were easy but the not shaving under the armpits was a bit of a shock. What struck me then was how most homes had a TV and could get West German TV. As such it was inevitable that their aspirations should have broadened. The cars were crap and I remember with four of us in a Trabant Estate having to get out to let it up a steep hill. I certainly think Martin@s reaction in a Western supermarket was well judged - I remember being equally stunned on visiting a supermarket in Eisenach in 1983 with no choice - one type of toothpaste etc.

Look forward to the next chapter and to seeing mint 1980s Opels and VWs in action (maybe my mint 84 VW Santana can get a starring role in something yet)