Mr Bates vs The Post Office
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Prolex-UK said:
vaud said:
blueg33 said:
Indeed. There was also a TV licensing case last year where a woman with learning difficulties was prosecuted. The council were responsible for managing her financial affairs and forgot to pay. The council then told the court she was guilty.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tv-licence-c...Disgraceful.
Every time you vote for a politician based on promises of tax cuts, remember where the axe has fallen already.
Not you specifically, Prolex
skwdenyer said:
Where do the majority of PHers *think* their tax breaks come from? We’ve allowed spending on basic stuff like local services, justice and so on to be slashed and burned for years now. The economic mismanagement of the nation is matched by the mismanagement of this case by Royal Mail.
Every time you vote for a politician based on promises of tax cuts, remember where the axe has fallen already.
Not you specifically, Prolex
Tax cuts?Every time you vote for a politician based on promises of tax cuts, remember where the axe has fallen already.
Not you specifically, Prolex
The tax level is at an all time high.
Bonefish Blues said:
I really don't understand why she joined the concealment bus, as it were. She joined in 2012 (iirc) and those Board Minutes from 2013 (again iirc) illustrate that they knew. She could and should have been a hero whistleblower if she'd had any integrity.
there was too much money at stake - if she had blown the whistle then it would have cost the PO too much money putting it right. She had the chance to be an absolute hero and blew it.simon_harris said:
Bonefish Blues said:
I really don't understand why she joined the concealment bus, as it were. She joined in 2012 (iirc) and those Board Minutes from 2013 (again iirc) illustrate that they knew. She could and should have been a hero whistleblower if she'd had any integrity.
there was too much money at stake - if she had blown the whistle then it would have cost the PO too much money putting it right. She had the chance to be an absolute hero and blew it.
tshow and the rest should have been history, as they say. I'm looking forward to watching her sessions.It doesn't make it right but I would suggest that she would have been eaten alive by those around her, she is as guilty as any of them but this isn't about one person it's about all of them, the Board, the lawyers, the civil servants sat on the board, plus those back in whitehall, the ministers, the investigators, Fujitsu etc...the list is long and inglorious, everyone that got employed was assimilated into the conspiracy.
Which shows you the mindset needed to be offered these kinds of roles in the first place, they don't employ people that will do the right thing, protecting the institution comes first and last on the agenda and we see it everywhere, the NHS is another great example.
540TORQUES said:
skwdenyer said:
Where do the majority of PHers *think* their tax breaks come from? We’ve allowed spending on basic stuff like local services, justice and so on to be slashed and burned for years now. The economic mismanagement of the nation is matched by the mismanagement of this case by Royal Mail.
Every time you vote for a politician based on promises of tax cuts, remember where the axe has fallen already.
Not you specifically, Prolex
Tax cuts?Every time you vote for a politician based on promises of tax cuts, remember where the axe has fallen already.
Not you specifically, Prolex
The tax level is at an all time high.
And for a long time it was far lower, building up huge debts.
Because of economic mismanagement and blind devotion to dogma, the tax levels for many are far lower than they should be. The tax take is hugely skewed onto the shoulders of a far-smaller-than-it-should-be group.
Just look at our Prime Minister’s effective tax rate; the vast untaxed property wealth; the absurd exemptions for National Insurance, and so on. All the product of governments bowing to pressure groups.
The trouble is, the public haven’t really caught up with the state of public services: the decimation of local Govt’ budgets; the destruction of the Police; the crippling of the justice system; and so on.
Wills2 said:
It doesn't make it right but I would suggest that she would have been eaten alive by those around her, she is as guilty as any of them but this isn't about one person it's about all of them, the Board, the lawyers, the civil servants sat on the board, plus those back in whitehall, the ministers, the investigators, Fujitsu etc...the list is long and inglorious, everyone that got employed was assimilated into the conspiracy.
Which shows you the mindset needed to be offered these kinds of roles in the first place, they don't employ people that will do the right thing, protecting the institution comes first and last on the agenda and we see it everywhere, the NHS is another great example.
There should be many interesting witnesses (a lot of PO lawyers for a start) in this next phase, and I absolutely agree the focus should NOT be all on her, there are a lot of villains involved.
But I think she will be an interesting character, we don't know much about her, the religious angle is intriguing, and she appears to have had a somewhat successful business career and was promoted internally from being operations director.
Unless she goes for the Ernest Saunders defence of course.
Which shows you the mindset needed to be offered these kinds of roles in the first place, they don't employ people that will do the right thing, protecting the institution comes first and last on the agenda and we see it everywhere, the NHS is another great example.
There should be many interesting witnesses (a lot of PO lawyers for a start) in this next phase, and I absolutely agree the focus should NOT be all on her, there are a lot of villains involved.
But I think she will be an interesting character, we don't know much about her, the religious angle is intriguing, and she appears to have had a somewhat successful business career and was promoted internally from being operations director.
Unless she goes for the Ernest Saunders defence of course.
Hammersia said:
Wills2 said:
It doesn't make it right but I would suggest that she would have been eaten alive by those around her, she is as guilty as any of them but this isn't about one person it's about all of them, the Board, the lawyers, the civil servants sat on the board, plus those back in whitehall, the ministers, the investigators, Fujitsu etc...the list is long and inglorious, everyone that got employed was assimilated into the conspiracy.
Which shows you the mindset needed to be offered these kinds of roles in the first place, they don't employ people that will do the right thing, protecting the institution comes first and last on the agenda and we see it everywhere, the NHS is another great example.
There should be many interesting witnesses (a lot of PO lawyers for a start) in this next phase, and I absolutely agree the focus should NOT be all on her, there are a lot of villains involved.Which shows you the mindset needed to be offered these kinds of roles in the first place, they don't employ people that will do the right thing, protecting the institution comes first and last on the agenda and we see it everywhere, the NHS is another great example.
But I think she will be an interesting character, we don't know much about her, the religious angle is intriguing, and she appears to have had a somewhat successful business career and was promoted internally from being operations director.
Unless she goes for the Ernest Saunders defence of course.
I expect some will play the illness card on the run up and not attend.
12TS said:
I'm intrigued. She's deeply religious and was in the frame to be a bishop somewhere IIRC.
How's she going to play it? Surely it's got to be morally
You may recall the former Chair of the Co-Op was also putatively a deeply religious man, a lay preacher no less. Presumably he sought forgiveness after every transgression simply reaffirmed his belief that all men are sinners…How's she going to play it? Surely it's got to be morally
Belinda Cortes-Martin - Programme Director for the Post Office’s ‘Project Sparrow' to Second sight "...You're fishing ........"
Yes, fishing for the truth ! Anyone think these excecs. thought they could run roughshod over anyone they appoint ?
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-04-04/nadhim-zahawi-...
Yes, fishing for the truth ! Anyone think these excecs. thought they could run roughshod over anyone they appoint ?
https://www.itv.com/news/2024-04-04/nadhim-zahawi-...
skwdenyer said:
You may recall the former Chair of the Co-Op was also putatively a deeply religious man, a lay preacher no less. Presumably he sought forgiveness after every transgression simply reaffirmed his belief that all men are sinners…
I don’t think it did anybody and harm so it was funny (I’m sorry if people lost their jobs as a result). There’s more than money at stake here. 
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