Prometheus - Ridley Scott's 'Alien Prequel' (or not)...
Discussion
alanwul said:
Guffy said:
Question:
how / why did the spaceship that Shaw and David took to the Engineer's planet crash
It's a fair point. David was able to make it hover above the Engineers city but then crashed it afterwards - I'm confused.how / why did the spaceship that Shaw and David took to the Engineer's planet crash
Moonhawk said:
...and where did the giant hovering structure the ship docked with go to as well? The movie raises far more questions that it answers. In fact - aside from "where did David and Shaw end up - it didn't really answer any of the questions raised in Prometheus
Prometheus was typical Damon Lindelof, it asked a lot of clever questions but never really answered any of them.I have watched Covenant and it's ok, not as bad as Prometheus but still a bit s
t.Kermode's review of this film was depressing to hear. I was quietly hoping that this would be a real tonic after Prometheus, but everything I've read thus far has described it as a "capable" horror film, but that's about it, certainly not an Alien film in anything but name.
Most worryingly of all Kermode said that this film subtracted from Alien - I'm guessing because of the whole religiosity that Scott seems to be obsessed with. Sometimes a xenomorph is just a xenomorph.
Supposed to be watching this Friday and I'm not particularly relishing it at all.
Most worryingly of all Kermode said that this film subtracted from Alien - I'm guessing because of the whole religiosity that Scott seems to be obsessed with. Sometimes a xenomorph is just a xenomorph.
Supposed to be watching this Friday and I'm not particularly relishing it at all.
alanwul said:
Guffy said:
Question:
how / why did the spaceship that Shaw and David took to the Engineer's planet crash
It's a fair point. David was able to make it hover above the Engineers city but then crashed it afterwards - I'm confused.how / why did the spaceship that Shaw and David took to the Engineer's planet crash
Frimley111R said:
TBH you can pick holes in any film going. I don't think this was worse than any others in this respect.
I think it was. Some films have a really tight story which is internally consistent. Some films are enjoyable/hang together well enough that it doesn't really matter. So far the Prometheus franchise is turning out to be a bit of a mess, mostly because I don't feel like anyone knows really what they want to do with it - or if they do then using the Alien universe to deliver it is an error.
Halb said:
Films 'by committee' are usually a mess. New films desperate for 'franchise' are perfect examples of this.
This is true. Scott is has supposedly hinted that the Alien franchise will be as big as Star Wars.A. No it wont.......ever (the Star Wars series has taken about $6.5 billion, when adjusted for inflation - the Alien franchise by way of comparison has taken less than $1 billion - and that's without factoring the massive amount of Star Wars merchandise, books, TV series etc).
B. If these movies are being made to bag a franchise and not because there is a story to be told - that kinda explains the mess that both Prometheus and Covenant are in from a story point of view.
Moonhawk said:
Halb said:
Films 'by committee' are usually a mess. New films desperate for 'franchise' are perfect examples of this.
This is true. Scott is has supposedly hinted that the Alien franchise will be as big as Star Wars.A. No it wont.......ever (the Star Wars series has taken about $6.5 billion, when adjusted for inflation - the Alien franchise by way of comparison has taken less than $1 billion - and that's without factoring the massive amount of Star Wars merchandise, books, TV series etc).
B. If these movies are being made to bag a franchise and not because there is a story to be told - that kinda explains the mess that both Prometheus and Covenant are in from a story point of view.
Edited by p1stonhead on Monday 15th May 21:24
You could literally write a hundred different interesting, well structured and consistent back stories for Alien.
Or you could produce this messy bag of confused crap and echoes of other films with forgettable characters who you idly watch die off one by one because, once again, they're all fking morons.
Precisely as crap as expected.
Or you could produce this messy bag of confused crap and echoes of other films with forgettable characters who you idly watch die off one by one because, once again, they're all f
king morons.Precisely as crap as expected.
Moonhawk said:
alanwul said:
Guffy said:
Question:
how / why did the spaceship that Shaw and David took to the Engineer's planet crash
It's a fair point. David was able to make it hover above the Engineers city but then crashed it afterwards - I'm confused.how / why did the spaceship that Shaw and David took to the Engineer's planet crash
Overall, I quite enjoyed it. Thought the soundtrack and cinematography were really good and it did help to make more sense of Prometheus. The lead actress was a bit bland and aside from her, Tennessee and David/Walter I couldn't tell you the name of any of them. The David/Walter switch was pretty obvious, but I didn't mind it and was a decent way to end the film.
7/10 overall, would buy on Blu Ray
Lance Catamaran said:
Saw it today, and I could be mistaken but wasn't it a different ship they used to release the virus? It looked like a big scorpion tale whereas the one in the first film was c-shape.
Overall, I quite enjoyed it. Thought the soundtrack and cinematography were really good and it did help to make more sense of Prometheus. The lead actress was a bit bland and aside from her, Tennessee and David/Walter I couldn't tell you the name of any of them. The David/Walter switch was pretty obvious, but I didn't mind it and was a decent way to end the film.
7/10 overall, would buy on Blu Ray
We haven't seen the very large ship before. The ship David was flying was the same as the ship in Alien and also the one in Prometheus that gets taken out by the Prometheus ship.Overall, I quite enjoyed it. Thought the soundtrack and cinematography were really good and it did help to make more sense of Prometheus. The lead actress was a bit bland and aside from her, Tennessee and David/Walter I couldn't tell you the name of any of them. The David/Walter switch was pretty obvious, but I didn't mind it and was a decent way to end the film.
7/10 overall, would buy on Blu Ray
Patrick Bateman said:
Lance Catamaran said:
Saw it today, and I could be mistaken but wasn't it a different ship they used to release the virus? It looked like a big scorpion tale whereas the one in the first film was c-shape.
Overall, I quite enjoyed it. Thought the soundtrack and cinematography were really good and it did help to make more sense of Prometheus. The lead actress was a bit bland and aside from her, Tennessee and David/Walter I couldn't tell you the name of any of them. The David/Walter switch was pretty obvious, but I didn't mind it and was a decent way to end the film.
7/10 overall, would buy on Blu Ray
We haven't seen the very large ship before. The ship David was flying was the same as the ship in Alien and also the one in Prometheus that gets taken out by the Prometheus ship.Overall, I quite enjoyed it. Thought the soundtrack and cinematography were really good and it did help to make more sense of Prometheus. The lead actress was a bit bland and aside from her, Tennessee and David/Walter I couldn't tell you the name of any of them. The David/Walter switch was pretty obvious, but I didn't mind it and was a decent way to end the film.
7/10 overall, would buy on Blu Ray
Lance Catamaran said:
Fair enough, will have to watch it again at home
You can see it in the Prologue-https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeMVrnYNwus
As an aside, the whole feel of that is superb, much more along the lines of what I wanted from this film.
This from Ridley Scott is somewhat disappointing too (major Covenant spoiler at 3:25 so stop before then if you haven't seen it!)-
https://youtu.be/Qo30bZc10D0?t=182
I like to think someone of his calibre would have a story he wants to tell and stick with it, not change the film based on some f
king fanbois on social media moaning about the lack of aliens.Edited by Patrick Bateman on Monday 15th May 23:46
Lance Catamaran said:
Saw it today, and I could be mistaken but wasn't it a different ship they used to release the virus? It looked like a big scorpion tale whereas the one in the first film was c-shape.
The big 'scorpion tail' thing was already hovering above the surface of the planet and seemed to be some sort of docking station.David docked the ship with this structure - then released the virus from the hold of the ship.
Moonhawk said:
Lance Catamaran said:
Saw it today, and I could be mistaken but wasn't it a different ship they used to release the virus? It looked like a big scorpion tale whereas the one in the first film was c-shape.
The big 'scorpion tail' thing was already hovering above the surface of the planet and seemed to be some sort of docking station.David docked the ship with this structure - then released the virus from the hold of the ship.
Edited by Venturist on Tuesday 16th May 07:59
Watched most of Prometheus last night and finishing it tonight. I think it's the second time as the first time was at the cinema.
It is a very silly film. However, the world it resides in is good. The more I read about Ridley, the more I can see why Prometheus is the way it is.
It's a shame really as the premise of the story is quite interesting. Trouble is, people like Lindelof are good at creating suspense, but they never deliver an answer.
Saying that, I simply cannot get past how stupid the characters are and that ruins it for me. You have a geologist who is more akin to a nutter security guard, a colleague of his who thinks and scary looking snake thing is beautiful, scientists who take their helmet off without checking anything, etc, etc. From what I've seen on Covenant trailers, it looks like the stupidity continues (with the spore going into the person's ear).
It is a very silly film. However, the world it resides in is good. The more I read about Ridley, the more I can see why Prometheus is the way it is.
It's a shame really as the premise of the story is quite interesting. Trouble is, people like Lindelof are good at creating suspense, but they never deliver an answer.
Saying that, I simply cannot get past how stupid the characters are and that ruins it for me. You have a geologist who is more akin to a nutter security guard, a colleague of his who thinks and scary looking snake thing is beautiful, scientists who take their helmet off without checking anything, etc, etc. From what I've seen on Covenant trailers, it looks like the stupidity continues (with the spore going into the person's ear).
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