Marvel Cinematic Universe

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JagLover

42,562 posts

236 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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The Marvels has the worst opening weekend in the MCU apparently, even unadjusted for inflation.

They need to change course and do so urgently otherwise they are going the same way as Star Wars.

Scabutz

7,699 posts

81 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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SpudLink said:
Went to see The Marvels last night. I picked 9pm on the Monday after the opening weekend to avoid the crowds. As it turned out, there was one other person in the screening. ONE.

As for the film itself, it’s not good. I could pick it apart very easily. The funny thing is, I really enjoyed myself. It was the superhero equivalent of a cheesy horror film.
There is an utterly bizarre, surreal scene played out to an Andrew Lloyd Webber musical number. All I could do was shake my head and laugh.
It was all very silly, and I’m going to class it as a guilty pleasure.

The highlight of the film however was the mid-credit scene. I audibly gasped when Kelsey Grammer appeared on screen. As of now the Fox produced, X-Men films are officially a parallel universe in the MCU.
Havent seen it and no desire to. Its seems really odd how the MCU have lost their way, I cant think of a film since Endgame that has been standout wow and that I want to see again. I know they couldnt keep flogging the dead horse of Iron Man and the Avengers but nothing has come close. There have been a couple of good films for sure, but not stellar

eltawater

3,116 posts

180 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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They need to give it all rest for at least a decade in Cinemas and possibly streaming too.

Too many characters, too much saving the world / universe / multiverse and too many deaths rendered utterly meaningless by another prequel / alt version / macguffin.

Did anyone even go to watch Blue Beetle?

SpudLink

5,959 posts

193 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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eltawater said:
They need to give it all rest for at least a decade in Cinemas and possibly streaming too.

Too many characters, too much saving the world / universe / multiverse and too many deaths rendered utterly meaningless by another prequel / alt version / macguffin.

Did anyone even go to watch Blue Beetle?
No. But that’s DC, and I gave up on them after Batman vs Superman.

Disney paid billions to milk it for all it’s worth. They need to keep churning out ‘content’ to feed the streaming service, get families to visit theme parks, sell merchandise. Unfortunately quality of the content doesn’t seem to be a priority.

ajprice

27,691 posts

197 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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SpudLink said:
eltawater said:
They need to give it all rest for at least a decade in Cinemas and possibly streaming too.

Too many characters, too much saving the world / universe / multiverse and too many deaths rendered utterly meaningless by another prequel / alt version / macguffin.

Did anyone even go to watch Blue Beetle?
No. But that’s DC, and I gave up on them after Batman vs Superman.

Disney paid billions to milk it for all it’s worth. They need to keep churning out ‘content’ to feed the streaming service, get families to visit theme parks, sell merchandise. Unfortunately quality of the content doesn’t seem to be a priority.
I didn't see Blue Beetle either, but DC is currently in the last breath of its current form before the Big James Gunn Reboot Of Everything, so nobody is bothered with Blue Beetle or Aquaman 2 when it comes out.

eltawater

3,116 posts

180 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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SpudLink said:
eltawater said:
They need to give it all rest for at least a decade in Cinemas and possibly streaming too.

Too many characters, too much saving the world / universe / multiverse and too many deaths rendered utterly meaningless by another prequel / alt version / macguffin.

Did anyone even go to watch Blue Beetle?
No. But that’s DC, and I gave up on them after Batman vs Superman.

Disney paid billions to milk it for all it’s worth. They need to keep churning out ‘content’ to feed the streaming service, get families to visit theme parks, sell merchandise. Unfortunately quality of the content doesn’t seem to be a priority.
Ah, right you are.
That illustrates my point really, the viewing public just see it as "another superhero movie" and don't bother.

Chris Type R

8,067 posts

250 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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SpudLink said:
eltawater said:
They need to give it all rest for at least a decade in Cinemas and possibly streaming too.

Too many characters, too much saving the world / universe / multiverse and too many deaths rendered utterly meaningless by another prequel / alt version / macguffin.

Did anyone even go to watch Blue Beetle?
No. But that’s DC, and I gave up on them after Batman vs Superman.

Disney paid billions to milk it for all it’s worth. They need to keep churning out ‘content’ to feed the streaming service, get families to visit theme parks, sell merchandise. Unfortunately quality of the content doesn’t seem to be a priority.
Speaking of which - I can't see myself renewing Disney+ next year - especially now that the price has increased.

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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JagLover said:
The Marvels has the worst opening weekend in the MCU apparently, even unadjusted for inflation.

They need to change course and do so urgently otherwise they are going the same way as Star Wars.
Why do I have the feeling that you’re one of that group for whom Avengers Endgame was completely ruined by one five second scene and the line “She’s not alone”?

Antony Moxey

8,140 posts

220 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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JagLover said:
The Marvels has the worst opening weekend in the MCU apparently, even unadjusted for inflation.

They need to change course and do so urgently otherwise they are going the same way as Star Wars.
Not sure where it’s been advertised but I didn’t even know this film existed until a friend put up on Facebook that they were at the cinema to see it. I don’t see any more or less media than I did when previous MCU offerings were coming up, but this one’s completely passed me by.

eltawater

3,116 posts

180 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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Antony Moxey said:
JagLover said:
The Marvels has the worst opening weekend in the MCU apparently, even unadjusted for inflation.

They need to change course and do so urgently otherwise they are going the same way as Star Wars.
Not sure where it’s been advertised but I didn’t even know this film existed until a friend put up on Facebook that they were at the cinema to see it. I don’t see any more or less media than I did when previous MCU offerings were coming up, but this one’s completely passed me by.
To be fair that was down to the strike which prevented them from promoting the film in person.

JagLover

42,562 posts

236 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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eltawater said:
To be fair that was down to the strike which prevented them from promoting the film in person.
Yes that probably played a part. I criticised the decision to delay Dune part 2 but maybe the promotional activities of the cast do make a difference.

Wadeski

8,169 posts

214 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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eltawater said:
Antony Moxey said:
JagLover said:
The Marvels has the worst opening weekend in the MCU apparently, even unadjusted for inflation.

They need to change course and do so urgently otherwise they are going the same way as Star Wars.
Not sure where it’s been advertised but I didn’t even know this film existed until a friend put up on Facebook that they were at the cinema to see it. I don’t see any more or less media than I did when previous MCU offerings were coming up, but this one’s completely passed me by.
To be fair that was down to the strike which prevented them from promoting the film in person.
Prevented interviews yes, but not trailers, posters, etc of which there have been plenty.

The problem for the Marvels seems to be centering the film on characters very few people care about, just at the time when due to decreasing quality and excessive quantity, MCU movies are no longer essential viewing. So the one two punch of people not lining up for the characters, nor lining up for the bigger continuity in spite of the characters.

Spider man showed people will still back theaters for popular characters and anticipated stories.

flatlandsman

764 posts

8 months

Tuesday 14th November 2023
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I have never and will never watch the end of Endgame, it was the most appalling pile of tripe I have seen and totally started the beginning of the end, time travel, really ffs!

it just totally ruined the entire thing for me, all that work, all those films, everything and we are supposed to believe some contraption can make them travel back in time, when they have wizards etc etc, I mean cmon ffs.

The whole thing should have ended with infinity War, Endgame was a very poor way to end it all, and was basically a film that was not needed for most fans.

For me also the Star Wars films, though troubled are not that bad, they at least try, (though the tv stuff is largely woeful) Endgame was just a ridiculous OTT namefest.

Evercross

6,075 posts

65 months

Wednesday 15th November 2023
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eltawater said:
To be fair that was down to the strike which prevented them from promoting the film in person.
It's a readily available excuse, but this was a film that had its release date delayed 5 times and almost a third of its runtime removed following test screenings. It also relied on the audience having seen WandaVision, Ms Marvel and Secret Invasion on Disney+ to have any investment in the characters/story arc, and two of those series bombed spectacularly.

The studio knew they had a dud on their hands because their build-up was telling them it would be. The promotion budget was cut back to cut their losses.

Corso Marche

1,726 posts

202 months

Thursday 16th November 2023
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Trailer released today for Madame Web.

Cinema release expected mid February 2024.
Trailer looks like another also-ran, but we'll withhold judgement until it's released.

gregs656

10,936 posts

182 months

Thursday 16th November 2023
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I think I like most people have more or less given up post endgame.

There is just far too much content to keep track of, it's no longer worth the effort.

Disney have admitted they have a quality problem though, so perhaps they will pull it round.

SlimJim16v

5,726 posts

144 months

Thursday 16th November 2023
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gregs656 said:
Disney have admitted they have a quality problem though, so perhaps they will pull it round.
Not sure about the films, but they have about the TV stuff and are changing how they make them. They are redoing lots of the new Daredevil.

In other news, Pedro Pascal is to play Reed Richards.

blueST

4,408 posts

217 months

Thursday 16th November 2023
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I mostly gave up after Endgame too, having watched them all religiously up to that point. The quality was already going downhill a bit and it’s got a lot worse. The last Thor one was a real dissappintment, GoG 3 was just about OK and I quite enjoyed Dr Strange and Multiverse of Madness, I’ve not watched the Loki series, but was thinking of giving it a go.

I did wonder if we are just seeing the end of super heroes as a Hollywood fad. There have been eras of cowboy films, war films, 80s action that have all petered out in the end.

SpudLink

5,959 posts

193 months

Thursday 16th November 2023
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blueST said:
I mostly gave up after Endgame too, having watched them all religiously up to that point. The quality was already going downhill a bit and it’s got a lot worse. The last Thor one was a real dissappintment, GoG 3 was just about OK and I quite enjoyed Dr Strange and Multiverse of Madness, I’ve not watched the Loki series, but was thinking of giving it a go.

I did wonder if we are just seeing the end of super heroes as a Hollywood fad. There have been eras of cowboy films, war films, 80s action that have all petered out in the end.
I said this a few times during the build up to Endgame. It's a golden ere for those of us who grew up reading superhero comics, specifically Marvel. But when Hollywood finds a successful genre, it will always flog it 'till the audience is sick of it. Then move to the next big thing.

I haven't given up yet. Before Iron Man was released, superhero films had slumped to the low of Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin. That seemed to be the final nail in the coffin for the genre.
The best days could still be ahead.

Radec

3,884 posts

48 months

Thursday 16th November 2023
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Season 2 of What If?

1st season was really good, so hoping for more of the same.